<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789</id><updated>2012-02-14T22:58:24.921-05:00</updated><category term='sin'/><category term='ethics'/><category term='prophets'/><category term='myth'/><category term='fundamentalism'/><category term='the church'/><category term='democracy'/><category term='historical criticism'/><category term='ministry'/><category term='emerging Christianity'/><category term='Pharisees'/><category term='creation'/><category term='Psalms'/><category term='Paul Ricoeur'/><category term='metaphor'/><category term='grace'/><category term='Jeremiah'/><category term='politics'/><category term='Christ and culture'/><category term='humour'/><category term='atheism'/><category term='Isaiah'/><category term='method'/><category term='Judaism'/><category term='preaching'/><category term='defilement'/><category term='archaeology'/><category term='psychology'/><category term='quoteworthy'/><category term='postmodernism'/><category term='Brevard Childs'/><category term='soteriology'/><category term='Walter Brueggemann'/><category term='homosexuality'/><category term='critical scholarship'/><category term='narrative criticism'/><category term='church and state'/><category term='salvation history'/><category term='christology'/><category term='Bible'/><category term='apologetics'/><category term='Gospels'/><category term='internal inconsistencies'/><category term='Paul'/><category term='Jesus'/><category term='the &quot;fall of man&quot;'/><category term='capitalism'/><title type='text'>Emerging From Babel</title><subtitle type='html'>Scripture is complex and plural, according to Walter Brueggemann.  Even the Ten Commandments immediately generated two alternate streams of interpretation.  Thus our deepest obedience cannot be to an absolute norm but to the biblical texts themselves.  The texts constantly disturb and disorient us.  We are never permitted to settle on a final interpretation.  We must forever return to Sinai, to interpret and reinterpret the biblical texts anew.</subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>48</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-5882061497845505636</id><published>2007-12-02T22:47:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-12-03T15:58:59.840-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bible'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Brevard Childs'/><title type='text'>Which text?, part 2</title><content type='html'>In the previous post, I called attention to the thesis of Brevard Childs:&amp;nbsp; "that the Masoretic text of the Hebrew Bible is the &lt;em&gt;vehicle&lt;/em&gt; both for recovering and for understanding the canonical text of the Old Testament."&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Pace Childs, I argued that partisan considerations may have been at work in the standardization of the Masoretic text.  In this post I will consider a specific verse, Amos 9:12, in light of the question at issue.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold"&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;Variant texts of Amos 9:12&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Amos 9:11 begins, "In that day I &amp;nbsp;[YHWH] will raise up the booth of David that is fallen"&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;table border="3" cellpadding="6"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;th align ="center"&gt;Masoretic&lt;/th&gt; &lt;th align ="center"&gt;Septuagint&lt;/th&gt; &lt;th align ="center"&gt;Acts 15:17-18&lt;/th&gt;&lt;/tr&gt; &lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;&amp;hellip; that they &lt;span style="background-color:yellow;"&gt;may possess&lt;/span&gt; the remnant of &lt;span style="background-color:silver;"&gt;Edom&lt;/span&gt; and all the nations who are called by my name," declares the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt; who does this.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;&amp;hellip; so that the remnant of &lt;span style="background-color:silver;"&gt;men&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="background-color:yellow;"&gt;shall seek&lt;/span&gt;,* and all the Gentiles upon whom my name is called, says the Lord, who shall do these things.&lt;br /&gt;~~~~~~~&lt;br/&gt;*several manuscripts supply objects for the verb:&amp;nbsp; e.g., "shall seek Me".&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;&amp;hellip; that the remnant of &lt;span style="background-color:silver;"&gt;mankind&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="background-color:yellow;"&gt;may seek&lt;/span&gt; the Lord, and all the Gentiles who are called by my name," says the Lord, who makes these things known from of old.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Surely Christians must take note of the correspondence between Acts 15:17 and the Septuagint translation of Amos 9:12, and inquire into its significance.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold"&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;James's appeal to Amos 9:12&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The issue at stake in Acts 15 concerned the place of the Gentiles in salvation history:&amp;nbsp; i.e., whether Gentile converts could be added to the Christian community without first agreeing to obey the Law of Moses.  James, as the head of the church in Jerusalem, had to persuade a constituency that was vehemently pro Moses.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If Luke's account is historical, and James appealed to Amos 9:12, he must have known a Hebrew text that read, "&amp;hellip; that the remnant of mankind may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles who are called by my name."  The Septuagint wouldn't have been authoritative enough to satisfy James's Hebrew-speaking constituency.  And a text corresponding to the Masoretic text ("&amp;hellip; that [Israel] may possess the remnant of Edom and all the nations who are called by my name") would not have served James's purpose.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Indeed, we may presume that James would not have taken such a pro-Gentile position in the first place unless he had found it in scripture.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold"&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;Minimal difference between the LXX and the MT&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;According to Michael Braun,&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt; only two minor emendations are required to arrive at a Hebrew text which corresponds to the Septuagint:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;To change &lt;em&gt;Edom&lt;/em&gt; into &lt;em&gt;adam&lt;/em&gt; (= &lt;em&gt;man&lt;/em&gt;) requires no emendation.  "In earlier MSS. the former word would have appeared without pointing, so that in the non-vocalized texts with which the Masoretes worked there would have been no difference between the words."&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;To modify &lt;em&gt;yyrsw&lt;/em&gt; ("they [Israel] &lt;em&gt;shall possess&lt;/em&gt;") into &lt;em&gt;ydrsw&lt;/em&gt; ("they [the nations] &lt;em&gt;shall seek&lt;/em&gt;"), one consonant must be emended.  It is not an unlikely variant:&amp;nbsp; "In the history of the transmission of the OT there was a time when &lt;em&gt;d&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;y&lt;/em&gt; were virtually indistinguishable."&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;To supply an object for the verb &lt;em&gt;seek&lt;/em&gt; ("they shall seek" &amp;mdash; who, or what?), "the sign of the accusative in the MT (&amp;rsquo;&lt;em&gt;t&lt;/em&gt;) [could] be emended to &amp;rsquo;&lt;em&gt;l&lt;/em&gt;, an ancient Semitic title for God."  Braun adds, "Dahood suggests that the Masoretes would at times confuse &amp;rsquo;&lt;em&gt;l&lt;/em&gt; for &amp;rsquo;&lt;em&gt;t&lt;/em&gt;, failing to recognize the older, shortened title for God."&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;In sum, the difference between the Masoretic text and the Septuagint is very slight.  The question is, &lt;em&gt;which text is original&lt;/em&gt;?  "They shall possess the remnant of Edom"?  Or "the remnant of mankind shall seek the Lord"?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold"&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;Jewish opposition to Christian proof texts&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Childs would evidently give the benefit of the doubt to the Masoretic Text, and assume the Septuagint to be secondary.  It seems to me that Christians must be a little more cynical about the Masoretes' motives.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Braun calls attention to a targum:&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;Tg. Jonathan&lt;/em&gt; shows that there was considerable theological difficulty with Amos 9:11-12 in the Jewish community.  It reads:&amp;nbsp; "So that they shall possess the remnant of Edom and of all the peoples, even the house of Israel, upon whom my name has been called."  The flagrant gloss, "even the house of Israel," was certainly added to exclude the Gentiles from any hope of salvation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;The Targum says that God's name has been called upon the house of Israel:&amp;nbsp; not upon the Gentiles, per Amos 9:12.  Here (and elsewhere) we have evidence of Jewish antipathy toward a Christian appeal to scripture.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Such antipathy is perfectly understandable, given the historical circumstances (the desperate position Jews were in after the events of 70 C.E.).  Regardless, we must recognize the severe pressure the Masoretes were under to protect the faith against threats, particularly threats emerging from within the Jewish community.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Christianity was just such a threat.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold"&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;Conclusions&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I will respond here to some of the comments that were made on my previous post.  &lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Two readers (both much more knowledgeable than I am) indicated that it is inaccurate to speak of "the" Septuagint.  D.R. Driver commented, "It's surprising how much of the literature still refers to this unproblematically, whereas it is a highly eclectic text."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Point taken.  And it suggests that the title of my first post is misleading:&amp;nbsp; we are not choosing between the Masoretic text and a similarly standardized Septuagint text.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nonetheless, the observation doesn't obviate the point that I wanted to make.  I set out to problematize Childs's emphatic preference for the Masoretic text, and I believe I have successfully done so.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It would be a mistake to assume that the Masoretes had pure motives as they went about standardizing the Hebrew text.  Variant Greek manuscripts (however ecclectic) may testify to an original text that was distorted by the Masoretes:&amp;nbsp; perhaps inadvertently, or perhaps as part of a deliberate campaign to undermine the claims of Christianity.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;The same readers objected to one of my statements in the first post:&amp;nbsp; "… at many points the Septuagint is more open to a Christian reading than the Masoretic text."  I concede that the statement is a generalization that I cannot justify.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On the other hand, Tim pointed to a couple of important verses (Is.&amp;nbsp;7:14 and Ps.&amp;nbsp;22:16) in support of my contention.   Allow me to restate my position more cautiously:&amp;nbsp; in some cases, the Greek text(s) is more open to a Christian reading than the Masoretic text.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;John stakes out an intriguing position.  In cases where the Greek text differs significantly from the Masoretic text (e.g. Jeremiah), John maintains that exegetes should explore both versions.  John comments:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;I think a return to the older pre-Reformation and pre-Tridentine tradition is in order, in which the outer limits of the canon and the precise contents of the text of the component books were up for grabs. Why not return to allowing a degree of fluidity on these matters?&lt;/blockquote&gt;This is certainly an acceptable proposal to me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The title of my previous post set up a false dichotomy between the Masoretic text and the Septuagint, as if we had to choose either one or the other.  I suppose the title was poorly chosen.  I never intended to argue that Christians should prefer the Septuagint to the Masoretic text in every case.  (Nor did I state such a thing anywhere in the post.)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;My thesis ought not to be controversial.  I submit that any responsible interpreter must take all variant readings into account.  (Certainly that is the practice among New Testament scholars.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I understand why exegetes begin with the text in the original language, and only secondarily turn their attention to versions.  However &amp;mdash; and here is where I part company with Childs &amp;mdash; there are extenuating circumstances to consider with respect to the Masoretic text.  The Masoretes were under extraordinary pressure to undermine any distinctively Christian reading of scripture.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Therefore:&amp;nbsp; (a) when an Old Testament passage is taken up in the New Testament, and used as a proof text for a distinctively Christian doctrine; and (b) there is a significant difference between the Masoretic text and the New Testament quote (or allusion); then (c) the Christian interpreter must seriously consider the possibility that the Masoretic text is corrupt.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Amos 9:12 is an outstanding illustration of my point.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If Luke's account of the so-called Jerusalem council is not historical, then we cannot trace the apologetic use of Amos 9:12 back to James.  In that case, it is Luke himself who appeals to Amos 9:12 as a proof text.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Even so, the Christian interpreter must seriously consider the possibility that the Masoretic text of Amos 9:12 is corrupt.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img alt="Creative Commons License" style="border-width:0" src="http://i.creativecommons.org/l/by-nc-nd/3.0/80x15.png" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font size="1"&gt;This work is licensed under a &lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;Creative Commons Licence&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;~~~~~~~~~~~~~&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;Brevard Childs, &lt;em&gt;Introduction to the Old Testament As Scripture&lt;/em&gt;. Fortress Press, 1979, p. 97.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;Scripture is quoted from &lt;strong&gt;The Holy Bible&lt;/strong&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/advanced.search/"&gt;English Standard Version&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The English translation of the Septuagint text comes from Michael A. Braun, "James' Use of Amos at the Jerusalem Council: Steps Toward a Possible Solution of the Textual and Theological Problems", JETS 20 (June 1977) 113-121 (translation of LXX at p. 115).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;Braun, &lt;em&gt;ibid.&lt;/em&gt;, p. 117.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;em&gt;ibid.&lt;/em&gt;, p. 116.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-5882061497845505636?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/5882061497845505636/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=5882061497845505636' title='9 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/5882061497845505636'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/5882061497845505636'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/12/which-text-part-2.html' title='Which text?, part 2'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>9</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-3058771480507073516</id><published>2007-11-29T06:52:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-11-30T12:02:47.251-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bible'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Brevard Childs'/><title type='text'>Which text:  Masoretic or Septuagint?</title><content type='html'>I'm currently studying two topics.  (1) I'm reading Brevard Childs's &lt;em&gt;Introduction to the Old Testament as Scripture&lt;/em&gt;, in preparation for two posts on the canonical approach.  (2) I'm familiarizing myself with the book of Amos, because I plan to blog my way through the whole book.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold"&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;Childs's proposal:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The two topics have come together this week, at least in my mind.  It was triggered by Childs's assertions about the Masoretic text:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The thesis being proposed is that the Masoretic text of the Hebrew Bible is the &lt;em&gt;vehicle&lt;/em&gt; both for recovering and for understanding the canonical text of the Old Testament. &amp;hellip;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There were many different Jewish communities in the Hellenistic period with different authoritative texts.  Why should the one community which finally supported the Masoretic text be singled out?  The reason is that only this one historic community has continued through history as the living vehicle of the whole canon of Hebrew scripture. &amp;hellip; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But was not the relation of canon and text very different for Christians from what it was for Jews?  Did not Greek-speaking Jewish Christians continue to use the Septuagint as an authoritative text, as the New Testament and early church fathers appear to demonstrate?  Why should decisions within the Jewish community, some of which extended chronologically after the rise of Christianity, be deemed normative in any sense for Christians? &amp;hellip;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The crucial point to be made is that the early Christian community of the New Testament never developed a doctrine of scripture apart from the Jewish.  It made no claims of having a better text of scripture, as did, for example, the Samaritans. &amp;hellip;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In sum, the church's use of Greek and Latin translations of the Old Testament was valid in its historical context, but theologically provides no grounds for calling into question the ultimate authority of the Hebrew text for church and synagogue.&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;I wish to make two points in response to Childs's proposal.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold"&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;Two objections:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First, "that the early Christian community of the New Testament never developed a doctrine of scripture apart from the Jewish" is completely irrelevant.  We should not think, anachronistically, in terms of a formal council giving its official imprimatur to a specific canon of books and a specific (Masoretic) text.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There was no promulgation of a canon even at Jamnia, as Childs knows.  The various books were recognized as normative by the religious community (or communities) in a piecemeal fashion.  The Law and the Prophets were agreed upon first.  But the boundaries of the Writings and what we regard as the apocryphal texts were still disputed during the formative era of the Christian Church.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The determinative consideration was the &lt;em&gt;practice&lt;/em&gt; of the various communities:&amp;nbsp; which books they treated as normative when they gathered for worship and instruction.  Therefore it is irrelevant that Christians did not develop a &lt;em&gt;doctrine&lt;/em&gt; of scripture.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As Childs indicates, the New Testament and the Church fathers appealed to the Septuagint as an authoritative text.  This matters, because at many points the Septuagint is more open to a Christian reading than the Masoretic text is.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Which brings me to my second point.  The establishment of a normative text was not a purely spiritual act, but also a socio-political one.  The stabilizing of the Masoretic text enabled the religious authorities to seize control of the theological agenda.  As Childs indicates (p. 98),&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Following the stabilization of the Hebrew text, the various Jewish communities began to establish their identity on the basis of the Masoretic text.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Childs sees that development as constructive; and no doubt it was, in large part.  But consider the very different perspective of Joseph Blenkinsopp.  He says that the decisive factor in delimiting the canon&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;was the need to resolve conflicting claims to authority, the point at issue being the interpretation of the received corpus of tradition.  This may not lead us to view writing, with Lévi-Strauss, as an instrument of oppression and control, but it should alert us to the possibility that it will embody claims of a polemical and tendentious nature.&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;I submit that this polemical impulse &amp;mdash; an impulse to seize control of the theological agenda from one's opponents &amp;mdash; applies not only to the selection of a canon, but also to the many choices which had to be made as the text of the Hebrew Bible was standardized.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Childs indicates that the Masoretic text was stabilized around the end of the first century.  In other words, it was stabilized after the core documents of the New Testament had been written.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We ought to consider whether partisan considerations were at work in the formation of the Masoretic text.  In a follow-up post, I will consider the text of Amos 9:12 in light of that question.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img alt="Creative Commons License" style="border-width:0" src="http://i.creativecommons.org/l/by-nc-nd/3.0/80x15.png" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font size="1"&gt;This work is licensed under a &lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;Creative Commons Licence&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;~~~~~~~~~~~~~&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;Brevard Childs, &lt;em&gt;Introduction to the Old Testament As Scripture&lt;/em&gt;.  Fortress Press, 1979, pp. 97-99.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;Joseph Blenkinsopp, &lt;em&gt;Prophecy and Canon: A Contribution to the Study of Jewish Origins&lt;/em&gt;.  University of Notre Dame Press, 1977, p. 4.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-3058771480507073516?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/3058771480507073516/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=3058771480507073516' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/3058771480507073516'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/3058771480507073516'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/11/which-text-masoretic-or-septuagint.html' title='Which text:  Masoretic or Septuagint?'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-940638070507484940</id><published>2007-11-27T06:35:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-12-03T21:03:45.287-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bible'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='emerging Christianity'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Christ and culture'/><title type='text'>Scot McKnight on emerging Christianity</title><content type='html'>Last week, Scot McKnight spoke at a convention which brought together three scholarly societies:&amp;nbsp; the Evangelical Theological Society, the Society of Biblical Literature, and the American Academy of Religion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For those who don't know, McKnight is a professor, the author of 20 books, and a &lt;a href="http://www.jesuscreed.org/"&gt;blogger&lt;/a&gt;.  He is solidly evangelical in his convictions.  Nonetheless, he has embraced emerging Christianity, perhaps with &lt;a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2007/february/11.35.html"&gt;some reservations&lt;/a&gt; about its postmodern orientation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was surprised to see that the meeting of academics included on its agenda a forum on the Emergent Church.  And I'm grateful that &lt;a href="http://www.andyrowell.net/andy_rowell/2007/11/audio-from-a-fe.html"&gt;Andy Rowell&lt;/a&gt; recorded the sessions he attended, including the Emergent Church Forum.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here is a ten-minute excerpt.  McKnight begins by telling a story about a blue parakeet (which symbolizes emerging Christians) stirring up the sparrows (evangelical / orthodox Christians) in his backyard.  And then he identifies six uncomfortable questions that emerging Christians are asking.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You can listen to the audio, or read my summary (verbatim at some points, a free paraphrase at other points) below.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;table bgcolor="#000000" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;&lt;embed quality="high" pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" bgcolor="#000" width="328" height="94" src="http://res0.esnips.com/escentral/images/widgets/flash/esnips_player.swf" flashvars="theTheme=gold&amp;amp;autoPlay=no&amp;amp;theFile=http://www.esnips.com//nsdoc/2d81cd42-9b6e-422d-842c-1e53e24f22c5&amp;amp;theName=Scot McKnight on Emerging 2250&amp;amp;thePlayerURL=http://res0.esnips.com/escentral/images/widgets/flash/mp3WidgetPlayer.swf"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;&lt;table cellpadding="2" style="font-family:Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; padding-left:2px; color:#FFFFFF; text-decoration:none ; ; font-size:10px; font-weight:bold"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;&lt;a style="color:#FFFFFF; text-decoration:none " href="http://www.esnips.com/CreateWidgetAction.ns?type=0&amp;objectid=2d81cd42-9b6e-422d-842c-1e53e24f22c5"&gt;     Get this widget &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style="font-size:7px; font-weight:normal;"&gt;|&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td align="center"&gt;&lt;a align="center" style="color:#FFFFFF; text-decoration:none " href="http://www.esnips.com/doc/2d81cd42-9b6e-422d-842c-1e53e24f22c5/Scot-McKnight-on-Emerging-2250/?widget=flash_player_esnips_gold"&gt;     Track details  &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style="font-size:7px; font-weight:normal;"&gt;|&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;&lt;a align="center" style="color:#FF6600; text-decoration:none" href="http://www.esnips.com//adserver/?action=visit&amp;cid=player_dna&amp;url=/socialdna"&gt;   eSnips Social DNA    &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;Note: if you want to download the track, click on "track details", which will take you to the esnips site, where you can click "download".&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ol&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;What kind of truth can be found in scripture?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Emerging Christians are beginning to ask questions about scripture that an older generation thought it had answered.  The questions include, &lt;em&gt;Just how human is this book&lt;/em&gt;? and  &lt;em&gt;Is it possible that the story of Jonah and the whale is just a myth&lt;/em&gt;?  Emerging Christians hear that there might have been three Isaiahs, and they aren't too bothered about it — it isn't even interesting to them.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Questions about science:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My students put it like this:  &lt;em&gt;If evolution isn't true, I would like to ask God why he made a world that looks so much like evolution.&lt;/em&gt;  This is a generation that isn't even attracted to questions about proving that Genesis 1-11 is a historical record.  They don't care about creation science.  They believe in evolution, and that's just the way it is.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Questions about Christians and how they behave:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Emerging Christians grew up with the scandals of Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Bakker and the priests, and they just don't trust institutional leaders.  Behind closed doors, church leaders do things that are despicable.  Emerging Christians ask this question:&amp;nbsp; &lt;em&gt;If Paul says that those who are in Christ are a new creation, why are there so many old creatures in the Church&lt;/em&gt;?&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Questions about hell:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I've had students say to me, &lt;em&gt;Scott, my evangelical pastor tells me that people who haven't heard the gospel are going to hell.  Is he really telling me that everybody in North Korea who never has a chance to hear the gospel is going to hell?  Well, I just can't believe that's true.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;A moral critique:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I've had students say to me, &lt;em&gt;Why is &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Judges+11%3A30-40"&gt;Jephtha&lt;/a&gt; in the Bible&lt;/em&gt;?  &lt;em&gt;And why is he valorized and heroized in Hebrews 11&lt;/em&gt;?  That is a serious question.  It's easier to talk about how many Isaiahs there are than it is to answer that question.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Questions about social location:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Emerging Christians are aware that what we are interested in comes out of the world in which we live.  There are other people in other parts of the world who don't care about our questions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Social location matters to everything we talk about, the language we use to discuss it, the way we shape theology, the way we respond to the gospel, etc.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Emerging Christians don't just admit that, they delight in it.  They're not seeking a universal theology.  They're willing to live with a theology for the midwest, or the east coast.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;I have a few comments of my own.  First, none of the questions that McKnight points to are particularly new (except perhaps the last one, which brings us into the realm of postmodernism).  What is new is the degree to which the traditional answers &amp;mdash; answers which satisfied a previous generation of evangelicals &amp;mdash; are now regarded with suspicion.  As McKnight puts it at one point in his presentation,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;This is not a question that evangelicals and orthodox Christians can simply give a traditional answer and get by with it anymore.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Second, the refusal to settle for easy answers may be related to McKnight's third point, the distrust of institutional leaders.  The traditional answers were never intellectually satisfying.  They were accepted largely on the say-so of the priest or the Doctor of Theology, who was regarded as a trustworthy authority.  Given the new cynicism about church leaders, emerging Christians aren't taking things on authority; they're waiting for an argument that they deem reasonable.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Third, I think emerging Christians within evangelicalism look particularly shocking in the US context.  In Canada, you will find extremely few Christians, evangelical or otherwise, who insist that the earth was created in seven 24-hour days.  Evolution is perhaps somewhat more controversial, but I think most Canadian believers accept, at the very least, that theistic evolution is a legitimate position.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally, the six "questions" of McKnight's presentation do not touch on all the elements of emerging Christianity.  McKnight knows that:&amp;nbsp; he has given a very different summary of the movement in a &lt;a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2007/february/11.35.html"&gt;Christianity Today&lt;/a&gt; article.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-940638070507484940?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/940638070507484940/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=940638070507484940' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/940638070507484940'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/940638070507484940'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/11/scot-mcknight-on-emerging-christianity.html' title='Scot McKnight on emerging Christianity'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-9181832963049162373</id><published>2007-11-24T11:00:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-11-24T11:06:30.256-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='humour'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='ethics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Christ and culture'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='capitalism'/><title type='text'>A prophetic voice decries Christmas consumption</title><content type='html'>(&lt;em&gt;cross-posted on &lt;a href="http://itsmypulp.wordpress.com/2007/11/24/wwjb/"&gt;[A]mazed and [Be]mused&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yesterday was one of the biggest shopping extravaganzas of the year.  Americans celebrate Thanksgiving on a Thursday, and most of them take the Friday off work, too.  En masse, they head to the shopping malls to begin buying, getting, consuming:&amp;nbsp; spending themselves into massive debt to commemorate the birth of the baby Jesus.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2187/2059113927_4caffe0b4a_o.gif" style="display:block;text-align:center;margin:0 auto 10px;" alt="baby Jesus Christmas presents losing balancing" border="0" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Rev. Billy doesn't like it.  Not one little bit!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;We're trying to get people to &lt;strong&gt;back away&lt;/strong&gt; from the Walmart; &lt;strong&gt;back away&lt;/strong&gt; from the Target; &lt;strong&gt;back away&lt;/strong&gt; from the Home Depot! &amp;hellip; Backing away from the product, slowing down your consumption is a spiritual act. &amp;hellip; Stop shopping, children!  Amen!&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;object width="425" height="355"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/4wxjl2ERhnI&amp;rel=1&amp;border=0"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="wmode" value="transparent"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/4wxjl2ERhnI&amp;rel=1&amp;border=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Rev. Billy is a persona created by performance artist and activist Bill Talen.  He is featured in a movie, &lt;strong&gt;What Would Jesus Buy?&lt;/strong&gt;, which is produced by Morgan Spurlock (who scored big with &lt;strong&gt;Super Size Me&lt;/strong&gt;).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;What Would Jesus Buy?&lt;/strong&gt; is built around a 2005 documentary of Rev. Billy's activist hi-jinks.  The original documentary was made by Rob VanAlkemade, the director of &lt;strong&gt;What Would Jesus Buy?&lt;/strong&gt;.  Footage from the original documentary alternates with interviews and commentaries from experts and everyday consumers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;According to SignOnSanDiego, the movie's message makes it a &lt;a href="http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/features/20070619-0552-movies-jesus.html"&gt;tough sell&lt;/a&gt; to potential distributors:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"Major distributors have backed away because Wal-Mart pushes half of their DVDs," VanAlkemade said after a sold-out screening of the movie Sunday at the Silverdocs documentary festival near Washington.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Starbucks &amp;mdash; a frequent target of Rev. Billy which got a court order to keep him out of its California stores &amp;mdash; pulled out as a sponsor of Silverdocs. The festival is presented by the American Film Institute and the Discovery Channel.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Festival spokeswoman Jody Arlington said Starbucks expressed discomfort with the movie and raised security issues, but it let Silverdocs keep the sponsorship money even as it withdrew its logo.  Starbucks Mid-Atlantic manager Carter Bentzel denied the decision was linked to the movie.&lt;/blockquote&gt;This is a good illustration of the potential negative impact when enormous, multinational stores like Walmart control the lion's share of a particular market.  So much for supply and demand as the sole regulatory principle of a free market!  If Walmart doesn't like your movie, they can pretty much turn the lights out on you.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Rev. Billy comments, "The multinational corporations have got as much control over us as the Roman Catholic Church in the 1300s."  Then again, there's always the democratic power of the World Wide Web:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;VanAlkemade pledged that the movie will find its way to audiences despite the marketing challenges. &amp;hellip; "Maybe someone shot this screening today and we'll see it on YouTube tonight. It's worldwide distribution. It's instantaneous."&lt;/blockquote&gt;How will Christians respond to the movie?  I haven't seen it; but as I watched the Youtube clip, I alternated between laughter, cringing, and shouts of "Hallelujah!  God bless Rev. Billy!"  Christianity Today offers a &lt;a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/movies/commentaries/whatwouldjesusbuy.html"&gt;generally positive&lt;/a&gt; take on the movie:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Aside from a few more serious, melancholy scenes, &lt;strong&gt;WWJB&lt;/strong&gt; is more or less a comedy. It's hard not to laugh at the confused faces of holiday shoppers as a robed choir marches through Abercrombie &amp;amp; Fitch and Victoria's Secret stores, singing about the impending shopocalypse as hovering security guards call for reinforcements. It's classic agit-prop theater — using humor and stagy gimmicks to shake things up, entertain, and provoke. It's a creative brand of protest, certainly, and according to the choir director (and Rev. Billy's wife) Savitri D, it's a protest grounded in Christian tradition: "Jesus was preaching within a tradition of theater as activism."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;hellip; Some critics have noted that the film's playfully sacrilege use of Christian forms and traditions may alienate some audiences. Rev. Billy's character is clearly modeled after a sweaty, breathy, over-the-top southern televangelist (Billy name drops Jimmy Swaggart) who prances around in polyester suits and occasionally "speaks in tongues" or is "slain by the Spirit." Catholics might also take offense at some of Rev. Billy's antics, whether he's in a makeshift confession booth on a city sidewalk (taking "confessions of shopping sins") or "baptizing" a baby outside of a Staples.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yes, it's condescending. Yes, it cheapens Christianity. But the whole argument of the film is that our commodity culture has already cheapened Christianity.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Aint that the truth!  &lt;strong&gt;Amen! Amen!&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But would it be appropriate if I bought copies of the DVD for everyone I know, as Christmas presents?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-9181832963049162373?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/9181832963049162373/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=9181832963049162373' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/9181832963049162373'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/9181832963049162373'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/11/prophetic-voice-decries-christmas.html' title='A prophetic voice decries Christmas consumption'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-1163450656841629503</id><published>2007-11-23T12:45:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-11-23T13:57:17.483-05:00</updated><title type='text'>The Anglican Church of Canada is splitting even as you read this post</title><content type='html'>The same sex marriage issue continues to roil the Anglican Church of Canada.  A conference underway right now (Thursday and Friday, Nov. 22-23) is bringing about a formal split.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For the record, I am not an Anglican.  But I am a Canadian, so it seems appropriate for me to alert readers outside of Canada to such a significant event.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I personally support same sex marriage.  Nonetheless, it is heartbreaking to see congregations and denominations riven over this issue.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here is some relevant background from the &lt;a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071121.wschism21/BNStory/National/home"&gt;Globe and Mail&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The general synod, or governing body, of the Anglican Church of Canada voted earlier in the year not to "affirm" the authority of member dioceses to authorize the blessing of same-sex unions, but at the same time it voted not to declare the issue to be a matter of core Anglican doctrine.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What its decision meant is still being debated by church canon law experts, but the consensus seems to be that dioceses are not blocked from authorizing the blessings &amp;mdash; and three have in the past few weeks:&amp;nbsp; the dioceses of Ottawa, Montreal and Niagara.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The bishop of Niagara has given his approval for the blessings to be implemented, but, to date, the bishops of Montreal and Ottawa haven't.&lt;/blockquote&gt;In &lt;a href="http://www.virtueonline.org/portal/modules/news/article.php?storyid=7115"&gt;response&lt;/a&gt;, two retired bishops have &lt;a href="http://www.virtueonline.org/portal/modules/news/article.php?storyid=7118"&gt;joined a different Anglican "province"&lt;/a&gt; located in another part of the world:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Bishop Malcolm Harding, retired Bishop of Brandon, has announced that he will minister under Archbishop Gregory Venables and the Anglican Province of the Southern Cone of the Americas, effective immediately.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Bishop Harding is the second Canadian bishop to make this announcement in the past week. It was announced on Friday that the Right Reverend Donald Harvey had been received under the Primatial authority of Archbishop Venables and would be free to offer episcopal oversight to biblically faithful Canadian Anglicans. &amp;hellip;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Bishop Harding commented,] "I cannot in conscience travel the path that the Anglican Church of Canada is traveling, away from historic Christian teaching and established Anglican practice."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Anglican Province of the Southern Cone (Iglesia Anglicana del Cono Sur de America) is one of 38 Provinces that make up the global Anglican Communion. It encompasses much of South America and includes Bolivia, Chile, Paraguay, Peru, and Uruguay and Argentina.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Similarly, in the &lt;a href="http://www.virtueonline.org/portal/modules/news/article.php?storyid=7114"&gt;United States&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;the dioceses of Fort Worth, Pittsburgh, San Joaquin, California, and Quincy, Illinois, as well as several Virginia parishes have indicated they plan to leave the Anglican Episcopal Church and affiliate with overseas churches.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Recently, the Virginia diocese began a court battle with its renegade parishes over title to church buildings.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Back to Canada.  Bishop Harvey is the moderator of the &lt;a href="http://www.anglicannetwork.ca/"&gt;Anglican Network in Canada&lt;/a&gt;, which describes itself as a national fellowship of Canadian Anglicans who share a commitment to "biblically-faithful, historically-authentic" Anglicanism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Network is holding a conference this week in Burlington, Ontario.  The Network has received messages of support from Anglican churches in the USA, Africa, and &lt;a href="http://www.anglican-mainstream.net/index.php/2007/11/22/message-from-archbishop-peter-jensen-to-the-anglican-network-in-canada/"&gt;Australia&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;I know that as Canadian Anglicans you are beginning this new initiative only after much prayer and searching of the word of God. The issue on which you have taken a stand is absolutely correct. Your obedience to the word of God is a necessary witness both to the Church and to society about the way in which God has designed us to live. You have my admiration for your courage and my prayers for the Lord's richest blessing on this venture. I extend my warmest Christian greetings to Archbishop Venables and to Bishop Harvey.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Peter, from Calgary, Alberta, is live-blogging from the Anglican Network in Canada (ANiC) conference.  It appears that the split is a &lt;a href="http://www.anglicanessentials.ca/wordpress/index.php/2007/11/23/friday-morning-from-burlington/"&gt;&lt;em&gt;fait accompli&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Rev Charlie Masters - ANiC is now a reality, it has been launched. We are open for business.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We are part of the Anglican Communion. We will be episcopally lead and synodically governed. We are incorporated and we are real. We are part of the common cause partnership. ANiC is a temporary provision with the hope that there will be a new N American province.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Commited to discern and raise up numbers of new people to be ordained. We understand there will be parishes transferring juristictions. There will be church plants. There will be housegroups thinking about becoming church plants but not at that stage yet. &amp;hellip;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Eventually parishes will be part of the Southern Cone, ANiC affliliation for individuals only. Currently both 'types' can be members of both - this is transition (so a little up in the air).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Charlie - what we are trying to do is like trying to build an airplane while we are flying. &amp;hellip;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A number of events coming up:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Church memberships 23rd November 2007.&lt;br /&gt;Ordinations 2nd December 2007.&lt;br /&gt;Celebration 25-27th April 2008 Vancouver.&lt;br /&gt;Confirmations and Church plants - TBA.&lt;br /&gt;First Synod - November 2008.&lt;/blockquote&gt;How sad that it has come to this.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-1163450656841629503?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/1163450656841629503/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=1163450656841629503' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/1163450656841629503'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/1163450656841629503'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/11/anglican-church-of-canada-is-splitting.html' title='The Anglican Church of Canada is splitting even as you read this post'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-7364895200208151492</id><published>2007-11-21T14:21:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-11-21T21:56:58.767-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='internal inconsistencies'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='historical criticism'/><title type='text'>The merits and demerits of historical criticism</title><content type='html'>In the &lt;a href="http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/11/fundamental-problem-and-three-attempts.html"&gt;previous post&lt;/a&gt;, we identified &lt;em&gt;internal inconsistencies&lt;/em&gt; as a fundamental problem for biblical interpretation.  Then we introduced the first attempt at a solution, historical criticism, taking Gerhard von Rad as illustrative of the method.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I had intended to press on to the second attempt at a solution in this post:&amp;nbsp; i.e., the canonical approach championed by Brevard Childs.  But, when I began to write, I found that I still had a great deal of ground to cover with respect to historical criticism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Canonical criticism will have to wait.  In this post I will consider historical criticism in more detail.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold"&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;The promise of historical criticism&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Israel testifies that God has made himself known via historical events.  The Exodus from Egypt, the revelation at Sinai, and the conquest of the promised land are key, formative events.  But even the subplots of the biblical narrative have a revelatory function:&amp;nbsp; e.g., &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?passage=Gen+22"&gt;the Akedah&lt;/a&gt; (binding) of Isaac, or the consequences of &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Josh+7"&gt;Achan’s sin&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By rooting its testimony in history, Israel exposed it to critical investigation.  Did the revelatory events actually happen?  Is there a core of historicity underlying the narratives, even if they are unreliable (or merely unverifiable) at the level of detail?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Historical criticism set out to answer those questions.  Many scholars &amp;mdash; perhaps most &amp;mdash; began from a position of faith.  They did not set out to debunk Israel’s testimony, but rather to establish it on a secure foundation.  And so, as we saw in the previous post, Gerhard von Rad isolated certain traditions which he regarded as both ancient and normative (non-negotiable).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold"&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;Historical criticism arrives at a dead end&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Regrettably, historical criticism didn't achieve what its practitioners had hoped to achieve.  I'm finding it difficult to summarize the results of historical criticism to date, but I hope the following observations will be helpful:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ol&gt;&lt;li&gt;Many parts of the biblical narrative cannot be confirmed by extra-biblical evidence.  For example, Abraham is not mentioned in ancient sources other than the Bible.  Nor are Joseph and Moses, who might have been expected to appear in Egyptian records.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;When biblical protagonists are mentioned outside of the Bible, it can be a mixed blessing.  For example, consider the following inscription which makes reference to David:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&amp;hellip; I slew [seve]nty kin[gs], who harnessed thou[sands of cha]riots and thousands of horsemen.  [I killed Jeho]ram son of [Ahab] king of Israel, and [I] killed [Ahaz]iahu son of [Jehoram kin]g of the House of David. &amp;hellip;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;;&lt;/blockquote&gt;This inscription, chiseled in black basalt, was discovered at Tel Dan in 1993.  It was a very important discovery because sceptics had argued that David never actually existed.  The inscription not only confirms that there was a "house" (dynasty) of David; it also confirms that King Jehoram (of Israel) and King Ahaziah (of Judah) were killed together.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But, in one significant detail, the inscription contradicts the biblical account.  &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?passage=2+Kings+9%3A14-27"&gt;2Ki. 9:14-27&lt;/a&gt; says that Jehu was responsible for the deaths of Jehoram and Ahaziah.  In the inscription, King Hazael of Aram takes credit for killing the two kings.  Thus the inscription both corroborates and contradicts the biblical narrative.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;The biblical accounts tend to betray an ulterior motive.  For example, consider the biblical description of David's relationship with Saul.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Saul regarded David as a pretender to the throne.  No doubt, after Saul's death, some of Saul's fellow northerners continued to regard David as a usurper.  But the biblical account maintains that Saul sought to kill David without cause.  David is depicted as extraordinarily innocent in his dealings with Saul.  Is the account historical, or is it an instance of political "spin", designed to legitimate David's reign?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Similarly, the account of Solomon's succession to the throne served to legitimate his reign vis-à-vis his older brother, Adonijah.  (See &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=1+Kings+1%3A5-53"&gt;1Ki. 1:5-53&lt;/a&gt; and, for Adonijah's perspective, &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=1+Kings+2%3A15"&gt;1Ki.&amp;nbsp;2:15&lt;/a&gt;.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In general, historical criticism has been successful in recovering what Hermann Gunkel called the "&lt;em&gt;Sitz im leben&lt;/em&gt;" (setting in life) of the text.  Interpreting the phrase broadly, &lt;em&gt;Sitz im leben&lt;/em&gt; refers to the function of a given text in subsequent generations:&amp;nbsp; in this instance, the legitimation of David's dynasty.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Historical criticism has found it exceedingly difficult to penetrate further back, beyond the &lt;em&gt;Sitz im leben&lt;/em&gt; to the events themselves.  This is an important point, to which we will return.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;Historical criticism was unable to isolate one ancient source that appeared to be closer to the historical events.  Instead, scholars identified four primary sources.  Conventionally referred to as J, E, P, and D, the four accounts were woven together in the final edition of the Hebrew scriptures.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Scholars believe that J and E originally offered rival accounts of Israel's history.  The Yahwist (who wrote J), lived in what became the southern kingdom, Judah.  The Elohist (who wrote E), lived in the northern kingdom, Israel.  Norman Gottwald explains:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;As long as the northern and southern kingdoms stood as rival Israelite kingdoms, the Yahwist and Elohist versions of the national epic were firm competitors.  After the destruction of the northern kingdom in 722 B.C.E., the Elohist lost its home setting and a redactor in the southern kingdom joined the two documents, or, more correctly stated, supplemented J extensively with parts of E.  For this reason, E is much less completely preserved than J. &amp;hellip; The effect of joining J and E was to affirm the national political tone of J but to permeate and leaven it with the religious and ethical qualifications of E.&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;In other words, J and E were both polemical documents, spinning the national epic in accordance with their authors' socio-political agendas.  This tendency to "spin" events is equally obvious in the case of the other two sources, P and D.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We return to the point made above:&amp;nbsp; scholarly investigations tend to dead end at the &lt;em&gt;Sitz im leben&lt;/em&gt; of the texts.  Scholars come up short of an objective description of the historical events.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;Let me make the same point in yet another way:&amp;nbsp; the original source material was repeatedly edited and re-edited over a period of centuries, long after the historical events had taken place.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At some point in Israel's distant past, there were no extended accounts of history.  There were only oral traditions, or brief documents, that the authors of J and E were able to utilize.  But they didn't incorporate the source material verbatim; they edited it in accordance with their distinctive objectives.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The same process was repeated after the fall of the northern kingdom, when J and E were combined by an anonymous editor.  Later still, P and D were added to the mix.  Considerable editorial activity was involved in the process of reducing the several documents to a single text.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Phil at Narrative and Ontology has posted an eye-popping diagram of the process &lt;a href="http://narrativeandontology.blogspot.com/2007/11/historical-criticism-and-scripture.html" target="blank"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  Good timing, Phil!)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If Israel ever possessed an objective description of its history (which is doubtful), it was lost forever in the process which produced the biblical texts as they are known to us.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Israel &lt;em&gt;preserved&lt;/em&gt; its history:&amp;nbsp; and partly for spiritual reasons.  But Israel also &lt;em&gt;shaped&lt;/em&gt; its history in accordance with the partisan socio-political agendas of certain individuals or (more likely) communities.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold"&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;Conclusions&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I should point out that there has been a backlash against the documentary hypothesis in recent decades.  Scholars proposed excessively detailed reconstructions of the text:&amp;nbsp; for example, parceling out a verse among several sources.  Such highly detailed reconstructions failed to generate a scholarly consensus.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At a certain point, the whole project began to resemble a house of cards:&amp;nbsp; too much infrastructure resting on an inadequate base.&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am not a scholar, and I am not equipped to defend the documentary hypothesis.  However, I am inclined to trust the judgement of those scholars who insist that the core of the hypothesis is sound; that it sheds a lot of light on the biblical texts.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As Walter Brueggemann would say, it is impossible for us to return to an "innocent" reading of the text.  But historical criticism is unable to resolve the problem of internal inconsistencies.  What, then, shall we do?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If we can't go back, we must find a new way forward.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In 1970, Brevard Childs declared that biblical theology had reached a point of crisis.  Childs&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;proposed that rather than theological interpretation being done according to the schema of historical criticism, it must be done according to the "canonical intentionality" of the text.&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;In the next post, then, we will turn our attention to Brevard Childs and the canonical approach to the interpretation of biblical texts.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img alt="Creative Commons License" style="border-width:0" src="http://i.creativecommons.org/l/by-nc-nd/3.0/80x15.png" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font size="1"&gt;This work is licensed under a &lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;Creative Commons Licence&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;~~~~~~~~~~~~~&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;Israel Finkelstein and Neil Asher Silberman, &lt;em&gt;David and Solomon: In Search of the Bible's Sacred Kings and the Roots of the Western Tradition&lt;/em&gt;, Free Press, 2006, p. 265.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;Norman K. Gottwald, &lt;em&gt;The Hebrew Bible: A Socio-Literary Introduction&lt;/em&gt;.  Fortress Press, 1987, p. 140.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;The same objection applies in New Testament studies with respect to certain scholars' overly-confident reconstructions of Q.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt;Walter Brueggemann, &lt;em&gt;Theology of the Old Testament: Testimony, dispute, advocacy&lt;/em&gt;. Fortress Press, 1997, p. 45.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-7364895200208151492?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/7364895200208151492/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=7364895200208151492' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/7364895200208151492'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/7364895200208151492'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/11/merits-and-demerits-of-historical.html' title='The merits and demerits of historical criticism'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-1541943691206668649</id><published>2007-11-20T19:29:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-11-20T19:19:08.226-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='apologetics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='creation'/><title type='text'>The rational orderliness of the cosmos as evidence of a Creator</title><content type='html'>&lt;blockquote&gt;There is one vitally important area where the accounts of science and faith both need to align, and in fact do align, in the understanding of the world. The first, priestly, creation account, whose canonical position [Genesis 1] privileges it in relation to the succeeding stories and poems, is above all an account of ordering. The creation is the organisation of randomness into coherency. This not only gives a significant place to human reason and observation (as the linkage of Wisdom and creation elsewhere implies) but is the fundamental presupposition of scientific investigation. &amp;hellip;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Science with God is more rational than science without God. &amp;hellip; It is not just that the observable universe is susceptible of rational investigation, but that science can’t work if it isn’t. We have an apparently random quantum fluctuation resolving with great speed into a universe that is not only organised, but finely&amp;sup1; tuned. &amp;hellip; Given the apparently rational and mathematical nature of the world, in which reasonably constructed experiments work, one might be tempted to see greater coherence in postulating a rational rather than a random cause.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Doug at &lt;a href="http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/"&gt;Metacatholic&lt;/a&gt;, in a post entitled &lt;a href="http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2007/11/creation-and-cosmos/" target="blank"&gt;Creation and Cosmos&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don't typically borrow from other bloggers unless I have something of value to add to their remarks.  In this case, I have nothing to add.  I merely want to commend the post (and the blog!) to others who don't regularly read Metacatholic.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;~~~~~~~~~~~~~&lt;br /&gt;&amp;sup1;The original post reads, "finally tuned".  I have amended it in light of a subsequent paragraph which speaks of the "fine-tuning" of the universe.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There's probably a lesson in here somewhere about the transmission of biblical texts:&amp;nbsp; i.e., the introduction of variant readings by copyists who presume to know what the original author intended to write!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-1541943691206668649?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/1541943691206668649/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=1541943691206668649' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/1541943691206668649'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/1541943691206668649'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/11/rational-orderliness-of-creation-as.html' title='The rational orderliness of the cosmos as evidence of a Creator'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-3498528277658654579</id><published>2007-11-19T08:33:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-12-11T08:21:15.158-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='quoteworthy'/><title type='text'>Quote of the day: Mircea Eliade</title><content type='html'>CORRECTION:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have corrected my Mircea Eliade quote.  Tim, who evidently has a better sense than I do of what Eliade is likely to say, &lt;a href="http://www.bigbible.org/blog/2007/11/it-must-be-true.htm" target="blank"&gt;investigated&lt;/a&gt; the matter.  It turns out that Eliade wrote precisely the opposite of what was ascribed to him by the site where I found my quote.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here's what Eliade really said:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The ritual nudity of the yogini has an intrinsic mystical value: if, in the presence of the naked woman, one does not find in one's inmost being the same terrifying emotion that one feels before the revelation of the cosmic mystery, there is no rite, there is only a secular act, with all the familiar consequences (strengthening of the karmic chain, etc.).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mircea Eliade, &lt;em&gt;Yoga: Immortality and Freedom&lt;/em&gt;, p. 259.&lt;/blockquote&gt;So Eliade may not be fearless in the presence of a naked woman after all.  However, the subject is not just any naked woman, but the mystical nudity of the yogini.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Oh well.  It's still an adequate excuse to publish this photo:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://www.marhba.com/forums/beaux-arts-61/noir-et-blanc-14541-p3.html" target="blank"&gt;&lt;img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/R0GR9ACmZ2I/AAAAAAAAAIM/5byYYNSqoB0/s400/62681120kp1.jpg" border="0" alt="nude with light globe" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5134545527348029282" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-3498528277658654579?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/3498528277658654579/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=3498528277658654579' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/3498528277658654579'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/3498528277658654579'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/11/quote-of-day-mircea-eliade.html' title='Quote of the day: Mircea Eliade'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/R0GR9ACmZ2I/AAAAAAAAAIM/5byYYNSqoB0/s72-c/62681120kp1.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-3276899451825408770</id><published>2007-11-17T09:26:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-11-18T15:11:49.371-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='church and state'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='postmodernism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='fundamentalism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='ministry'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='politics'/><title type='text'>A generational shift in evangelical Christianity?</title><content type='html'>[&lt;em&gt;Cross-posted from my "secular" blog, &lt;a href="http://itsmypulp.wordpress.com/2007/11/15/the-emergence-of-a-kinder-gentler-evangelicalism/"&gt;[A]mazed and [Be]mused&lt;/a&gt;.  By the way, my university-aged son has just joined me as a co-blogger over there, and I'm feeling pretty pleased about it&lt;/em&gt;!]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Evangelicals are increasingly motivated by a broader range of social concerns, from disease in Africa, to the environment, to racial reconciliation. And they want to be a witness to these values instead of a tool in the power games of others.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.newsweek.com/id/69544"&gt;Newsweek&lt;/a&gt;.  The last sentence of the quote aptly characterizes where American evangelicals have positioned themselves for the past twenty-five years:&amp;nbsp; as a tool in the power games of others.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Perhaps I should speak of "Christianists" &amp;mdash; the term by which Andrew Sullivan distinguishes this politicized group from other evangelicals.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The mainstream US media has recently published a couple of articles hailing the arrival of a kinder, gentler evangelicalism.  The &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/28/magazine/28Evangelicals-t.html?_r=3&amp;amp;oref=slogin&amp;amp;ref=magazine&amp;amp;pagewanted=print&amp;amp;oref=slogin&amp;amp;oref=slogin"&gt;New York Times&lt;/a&gt; reported:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The founding generation of leaders like [Jerry] Falwell and [James] Dobson, who first guided evangelicals into Republican politics 30 years ago, is passing from the scene [either dying or retiring]. &amp;hellip; Meanwhile, a younger generation of evangelical pastors — including the widely emulated preachers Rick Warren and Bill Hybels — are pushing the movement and its theology in new directions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are many related ways to characterize the split:&amp;nbsp; a push to better this world as well as save eternal souls; a focus on the spiritual growth that follows conversion rather than the yes-or-no moment of salvation; a renewed attention to Jesus’ teachings about social justice as well as about personal or sexual morality. However conceived, though, the result is a new interest in public policies that address problems of peace, health and poverty.&lt;/blockquote&gt;In my experience, concern for the environment is also taking root among younger evangelicals.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I hope &lt;strong&gt;Newsweek&lt;/strong&gt; and the &lt;strong&gt;Times&lt;/strong&gt; are right to suppose that this represents a generational shift.  I'm not quite convinced yet, but I'm hopeful.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are two trends to consider.  The &lt;strong&gt;Times&lt;/strong&gt; is alert to one of the trends, which involves very large, "seeker sensitive" churches.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The church pastored by Bill Hybels &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Hybels"&gt;averages 20,000&lt;/a&gt; in attendance each week.  To maintain a more personal touch, it makes use of 2,600 small groups.  The &lt;strong&gt;Times&lt;/strong&gt; comments:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Hybels, founder of the Willow Creek Community Church near Chicago, is very possibly the single-most-influential pastor in America; in the last 15 years, his Willow Creek Association has grown to include more than 12,000 churches. Many invite their staff members and lay leaders to participate by telecast in Willow Creek’s annual leadership conferences, creating a virtual gathering of tens of thousands. &amp;hellip;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As his stature has grown, Hybels has seemed more willing to irk Christian conservative political leaders — and even some in his own congregation. He set off a furor a few years ago when he invited former President Bill Clinton to speak at one of his conferences. And the Iraq war has brought into sharp relief Hybels’s differences with conservatives like Dobson.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;hellip; On the eve of the Iraq invasion, Hybels preached a sermon called “Why War?” Laying out three approaches to war — realism, just-war theory and pacifism — he implored members of his congregation to re-examine their own thinking and then try to square it with the Bible. In the process, he left little doubt about where he personally stood. He called himself a pacifist.&lt;/blockquote&gt;The other trend is more of a grass roots phenomenon.  There is a rising interest in something called the "Emergent" church.  Or "movement", or "conversation" &amp;mdash; Emergent leaders are uncomfortable being defined by labels.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Emergent movement reminds me of the internet-driven political campaigns of Howard Dean and Ron Paul.  Yes, there are identifiable leaders (e.g., Brian McLaren), but the movement as such has no hierarchy, and is not identified with any individual.  It is amorphous &amp;mdash; a &lt;em&gt;concept&lt;/em&gt; that has spread virally &amp;mdash; a &lt;a href="http://www.def-logic.com/articles/what_is_a_meme.html"&gt;meme&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As such, it isn't clear how much impact the Emergent movement will have on Christianity.  It could self-destruct, as Howard Dean's political campaign did in 2004.  On the other hand, it might represent the beginning of something new in Christianity:&amp;nbsp; a way of doing church differently in a postmodern era.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The thing to note is that these two trends, so different in approach, have similar ideals with respect to social issues.  There's an amusing, semi-serious description of the &lt;a href="http://blog.christianitytoday.com/outofur/archives/2005/10/mclarens_seven_layers1.html"&gt;seven layers&lt;/a&gt; of Emergence on a &lt;strong&gt;Christianity Today&lt;/strong&gt; blog.  Consider the seventh "layer":&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Maybe the mission of the church isn’t simply to become a bigger church? &amp;hellip; To their amazement, [the article's hypothetical congregation] discovers significant swaths of the Bible (such as the Pentateuch, prophets, gospels, and epistles) talk about justice, poverty, and compassion. The church begins to speak about social issues and participates in efforts to combat poverty, AIDS, and global injustice.&lt;/blockquote&gt;This paragraph takes a bit of a cheap shot at the Hybels model of doing church &amp;mdash; "Maybe the mission of the church isn’t simply to become a bigger church?"  Emergent folks tend to be critical of the megachurch model.  Nonetheless, the paragraph's emphasis on poverty, AIDS, and global injustice is consistent with the mission objectives of Hybels's church.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the convergence of these two trends, there is hope for the next generation of evangelicals.  The reader may note an approving nod to the Emergent movement in the name of this blog, &lt;strong&gt;Emerging From Babel&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-3276899451825408770?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/3276899451825408770/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=3276899451825408770' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/3276899451825408770'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/3276899451825408770'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/11/generational-shift-in-evangelical.html' title='A generational shift in evangelical Christianity?'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-8928063356172109002</id><published>2007-11-14T20:15:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-11-15T09:14:38.379-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='internal inconsistencies'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='historical criticism'/><title type='text'>A fundamental problem: and three attempts at a solution</title><content type='html'>Doug at Metacatholic has published a provocative post, &lt;a href="http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2007/11/deconstructing-the-decalogue/"&gt;Deconstructing the Decalogue&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(For those who aren't familiar with the jargon, the "Decalogue" = the "Ten Commandments".  Literally, the ten "words" (Gk. &lt;em&gt;logoi&lt;/em&gt;):&amp;nbsp; see the ESV footnote to &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Deuteronomy+4%3A13"&gt;Deut.&amp;nbsp;4:13&lt;/a&gt;.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I intend to use Doug's post to illustrate a fundamental problem in any attempt to understand the Bible.  In a three-part series of posts, I will lay out three attempts at a solution to the problem.  The first attempt at a solution, historical criticism, is described in this post.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold"&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;Internal inconsistencies:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For ease of reference, I am going to attach a label to the problem that Doug illustrates so well:&amp;nbsp; &lt;em&gt;internal inconsistencies&lt;/em&gt;.  One biblical text often contradicts, or appears to be inconsistent with, another biblical text.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Very often, the sickness of modernity is diagnosed in different terms:&amp;nbsp; &lt;em&gt;faith vs. science&lt;/em&gt;.  In other words, individuals must choose between the competing claims of rival authorities.  Naturally, Christians will choose to believe the Bible instead of "believing" the claims of modern science.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I submit that the problem is more fundamental than that.  Christians cannot simply "believe the Bible" because the Bible comprises a range of viewpoints.  Scripture is "multivocal" (my preferred summary term).  A close reading of scripture does not pit faith against science, but one biblical "voice" against another &amp;mdash; often even within a single book (e.g., &lt;a href="http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/10/two-heavyweight-scholars-slug-it-out.html"&gt;Ecclesiastes&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Doug analyzes three Old Testament scriptures, which I am presenting side by side in tabular form.  The first text, from Exodus 20, explicates the second commandment:&amp;nbsp; "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth" (Ex.&amp;nbsp;20:4).&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;table border="3" cellpadding="6"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;th align ="center"&gt;Exodus 20:5-6&lt;/th&gt; &lt;th align ="center"&gt;Deut. 7:9-10&lt;/th&gt; &lt;th align ="center"&gt;Ezekiel 18:20&lt;/th&gt;&lt;/tr&gt; &lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt; your God am a jealous God, &lt;span style="background-color:yellow;"&gt;visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me&lt;/span&gt;, but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;Know therefore that the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt; your God is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, to a thousand generations, and repays to their face those who hate him, by destroying them. &lt;span style="background-color:yellow;"&gt;He will not be slack with one who hates him. He will repay him to his face&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;The soul who sins shall die. &lt;span style="background-color:yellow;"&gt;The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father&lt;/span&gt;, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(1) The Decalogue asserts that God will punish three or four generations for the sins of the father.  (2) Deuteronomy makes no mention of subsequent generations; rather, it focuses on the sinner himself.  God will not be "slack" with the sinner (i.e., there will be no delay in punishment?), but will punish him to his face.  (3) Ezekiel goes even further, flatly contradicting the Decalogue:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father. &amp;hellip; The wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Doug comments,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The words portrayed as belonging to God both in speech and writing seem to be up for conversation, criticism and dialogue. God in Ezekiel disagrees with God in Exodus, and even though the final redaction of Exodus most likely post-dates these prophecies the tensions and discordances are preserved in the text on its long journey towards canonicity.&lt;/blockquote&gt;What are the implications of this conclusion for exegesis?  How can texts which are inconsistent with one another supply a coherent and authoritative guide to doctrine and practice?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold"&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;Historical criticism:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The first attempt at a solution that I wish to consider is historical criticism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The historical-critical method presupposes that Israel's understanding of God was contingent on its location in space and time.  As the generations passed; as Israel encountered other nations with different religious ideas; as Israel's fortunes on the world stage rose and fell &amp;mdash; Israel's doctrines and practices changed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In my view, this is undoubtedly a biblical perspective.  As Walter Brueggemann says, "Israel’s articulation itself would seem to stress the historical."&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;  And indeed, traditional theology has been open to the notion of &lt;a href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/sinpars1.htm"&gt;progressive revelation&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Different faith groups assign various meanings to the term "&lt;em&gt;Progressive revelation&lt;/em&gt;." A common definition is the belief that God did not teach full theological, legal, moral, scientific, medical and other knowledge to humans in the beginning. Rather, God gradually revealed truths over a long interval, according to their needs, and at a rate slow enough that humans were capable of fully absorbing them.&lt;/blockquote&gt;But traditional theology was not open to the idea of irreconcilable contradictions in scripture.  That Israel might actually change its mind, and conclude that the doctrines of an earlier era were in error &amp;mdash; that was simply unthinkable.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In fact, historical criticism doesn't assume progressive revelation.  Methodologically, earlier documents are preferred to later documents.  The biblical historian assumes something like a degeneration from an original purity, rather than progress toward perfection.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As an example of the historical-critical method, consider Gerhard von Rad (whose views are here summarized by Walter Brueggemann).  Von Rad proposed&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;that the recitals of &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?passage=Deut+26%3A5-9"&gt;Deut. 26:5–9&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Deut+6%3A20-24"&gt;6:20–24&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Joshua+24%3A1-13"&gt;Josh. 24:1–13&lt;/a&gt; constitute Israel’s earliest and most characteristic theological articulation.  These highly studied recitals &amp;hellip; narrate Israel's remembered "historical" experience of the decisive ways in which Yahweh, the God of Israel, has intervened and acted in the life of Israel. &amp;hellip;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Von Rad was drawn to term these stylized recitals as credos, as bottom-line articulations of what is unquestioned and nonnegotiable in Israel’s faith.&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Thus von Rad employed the historical-critical method to isolate the earliest recitals of Israel's faith.  He recognized that subsequent generations always circled back to the core material; they retold the stories in ways that were appropriate to new historical circumstances.  But it was the most ancient stratum of the tradition that von Rad deemed normative and non-negotiable.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Were von Rad's conclusions warranted?  Had he succeeded in isolating the earliest stratum of the tradition?  Can the historical critical method solve the problem of internal inconsistencies for us?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In my second post, I will lay out some of the inadequacies of the historical-critical option.  I will then direct our attention to a second attempt at a solution:&amp;nbsp; canonical criticism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img alt="Creative Commons License" style="border-width:0" src="http://i.creativecommons.org/l/by-nc-nd/3.0/80x15.png" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font size="1"&gt;This work is licensed under a &lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;Creative Commons Licence&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;~~~~~~~~~~~~~&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;Unless otherwise indicated, scripture is quoted from &lt;strong&gt;The Holy Bible&lt;/strong&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/advanced.search/"&gt;English Standard Version&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;Brueggemann, W. (1997). &lt;em&gt;Theology of the Old Testament: Testimony, dispute, advocacy&lt;/em&gt;, Fortress Press, p. 40.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;em&gt;ibid&lt;/em&gt;., pp. 32-33.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-8928063356172109002?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/8928063356172109002/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=8928063356172109002' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/8928063356172109002'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/8928063356172109002'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/11/fundamental-problem-and-three-attempts.html' title='A fundamental problem: and three attempts at a solution'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-7951472442521874432</id><published>2007-11-09T06:18:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-11-09T11:46:49.285-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Judaism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='critical scholarship'/><title type='text'>James Kugel's provocative thoughts on the Torah; and the Jewish blogosphere</title><content type='html'>To be clear, the title refers to two different topics.  James Kugel has not said anything provocative about the Jewish blogosphere.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let me start with the second topic first.  Christian bibliobloggers may be unaware that there is a thriving Jewish blogosphere (J-blogosphere) out there.  The easiest point of access is &lt;em&gt;Haveil havalim&lt;/em&gt;.  The 138th roundup of what's going on in the J-blogosphere was hosted by &lt;a href="http://soccerdad.baltiblogs.com/archives/2007/10/28/haveil_havalim_138.html"&gt;Soccer Dad&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And that's all I wanted to say about that.  Now, on to James Kugel's provocative thoughts on the place of the Torah in Judaism.  Hat tip, &lt;a href="http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2007/11/what-do-orthodox-jews-really-believe.html"&gt;Jewish Atheist&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Kugel has his own Web site &lt;a href="http://jameskugel.com/critic.php"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  He was recently asked the following question:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;I have always avoided studying biblical criticism because, although I am primarily an orthoDOX Jew (daven 3 times a day, shomer shabbat/kashrut), I have somewhat of a cynical attitude to many aspects of our tradition despite my love for Judaism and my commitment to live a "religious life" and raise my children as observant Jews.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I feared that if I were to be convinced that the Torah is not a divine document, that the foundations of my faith (in halacha – not God) would be shaken and that I would not be able to take halacha seriously. Because if the foundational text that the entire halacha is based upon was not in fact divine &amp;mdash; then chazal’s primary assumption no longer holds true. If Rabbi Akiva or Rav Ashi or Maimonides or Rav Feinstein all operated under the assumption of a divine Torah and that assumption is not valid (either in whole or part) - well.......&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;hellip; I am actually not even quite sure what I am asking. I suppose I am writing to you to get your thoughts on how a religious person can maintain his/her faith and fealty in and to a rabbinic system that is so directly based on the belief of a Divine text and the "Four Assumptions"?&lt;/blockquote&gt;Here is an excerpt from Kugel's detailed response (which is certainly worth reading in its entirety):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Orthodox Jews (myself included) are, by definition, people who like to be told what to do. We accept eagerly the whole "prepared table" of Judaism. &amp;hellip;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is part of the whole posture of seeking to do God’s bidding that we absorb ourselves in the details of the traditional way of life, "davening three times a day" as you say, and kashrut and learning and Shabbat. We don’t take easily to going beyond this, looking up from those daily tasks to contemplate our Employer, that is to say, to think about the really basic issues of theology. In fact, to talk about such things even seems to us un-Jewish; it is neither a necessary nor a particularly comfortable activity for someone who has undertaken to live as an Orthodox Jew. &amp;hellip;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When you actually consider Judaism as it is, the role of the Torah in it is really not what you say it is. Ultimately, Jews are not Torah-fundamentalists. On the contrary, our whole tradition is based on adding liberally to what the Torah says (despite Deut. 4:2), sometimes reading its words in a way out of keeping with their apparent meaning, and sometimes even distorting or disregarding its words entirely. (My book "The Bible As It Was" contains seven hundred pages of examples of how this all began.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What’s more, as everyone knows, much of what makes up the daily fabric of Jewish life has only a tenuous connection, or no connection at all, with what is actually written in the Torah. I mentioned such things as saying the Amidah three times a day, the berakhot that we recite before eating and on other occasions, netilat yadayim, many aspects of kashrut [e.g. basar vehalav], many of the particulars in the way we keep Shabbat and holidays, studying the Babylonian Talmud, and so on and so forth. Isn’t this an awful lot of what it means to lead a halakhic life? On the other hand, one might also mention such practices as mekhirat hametz, which on the face of it seem in fact to contradict what is written in the Torah, in this case, the prohibitions of bal yera’eh ubal yimmatze. And all these are really only the tip of the iceberg; you yourself could go into much greater detail on this theme.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So someone looking at this situation from afar would probably be reluctant to accept your assertion that the whole system of halakhah depends on the words of the Torah and their divine inspiration. &amp;hellip; No, this observer would say, it is simply not true that the whole system of halakhah depends on the words of the Torah. Those words were the starting-point, but what has truly proven determinative in them (indeed, what was recognized as such from the start) was the general direction that those words point in and embody, and whose trajectory was then carried forward through the Mishnah and Gemara and all later writings.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That "general direction" is the basic idea that Israel's connection to God is to be articulated through avodat H'. This is the whole substance of the Sinai revelation, and whether it took place at Sinai or somewhere else, biblical scholarship itself has highlighted the utter disconnectedness of this idea from all that preceded it. Before that moment, there was (for centuries) the God of Old, who appeared and disappeared; and there was the offering of sacrifices in the temple. Then, suddenly, the phrase la'avod 'et H' acquired a new meaning: it meant doing all these mitzvot. That changed forever the whole character of divine-human interaction, and it's that change that all later Judaism embodies.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;hellip; Time and again, it's not a matter of the specific words, at least not if you try to see the big picture. What really underlies everything &amp;mdash; and what was the ongoing substance of the Sinai revelation &amp;mdash; was the revelation of a new way of being connected to God.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the light of all this, I hinted at the very end of the book at what is called in German a "thought experiment." What would happen if someone could demonstrate definitively that God had truly given only one commandment to Moshe at Mount Sinai, the one in Deuteronomy that says: "You shall serve the Lord your God with your whole heart and soul." Then He said to Moshe: "Okay, you and the zeqenim and their later successors can work out the details."  Well, this is a somewhat jarring question, but please go along with it for a minute. In the end, I do not believe that this would, or could, invalidate our system of halakhah.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course I do believe in nevu’ah, in divine revelation, and I don’t think that Israel got only that one commandment from God. Theoretically, however, I think it would be enough if that were all, since that would provide the firm basis for everything that followed &amp;mdash; Moshe's, or Rabbi Akiva's, elaboration of how this primal divine commandment is to be carried out. Because ultimately, any Jew must admit that at some point the divinely-given text leads to the human interpreter and the poseq, indeed, to this specific taqqanah and that specific gezerah shavah. And frankly, we don't really seem to all that aware of, or even care much about, where the dividing-line falls. This is our "prepared table," the work of many hands. If someone wants a different table, let him go ahead &amp;mdash; but this is the Jewish table, the way Jews serve God. &amp;hellip;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Understanding that avodat H' is the true foundation of our halakhah may not de-fang modern biblical scholarship; a lot of what it says will always be disturbing to Jews. But I think that modern scholarship does not, because it cannot, undermine the essence of Judaism or what Jews actually do in their lives; it cannot, as you suggest, cause the system to collapse.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;hellip; After all is said and done and Kugel is long gone, the problems raised for Orthodox Jews by modern biblical scholarship will remain. My hope is that the response I’ve outlined here, which is really what I said in somewhat different terms in my book, will also be around for a while, and that it may help people like yourself to look squarely at those problems and at what seems to me to be their only truthful resolution.&lt;/blockquote&gt;My response, in bullet form:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;I find Kugel's perspective on Judaism fascinating.  (1) To talk about the really basic issues of theology is almost un-Jewish.  (2) The whole Jewish tradition &lt;em&gt;is based on adding liberally to what the Torah says &amp;hellip; and sometimes even distorting or disregarding its words entirely.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I presume that other Jews would take issue with Kugel on those points.  But it certainly confirms the impression that Judaism makes on me, a Christian outsider.  In the brief time that I spent exploring the J-blogosphere, I found that I was unable to relate to many of the topics of urgent importance to Jewish bloggers.  Discussion mostly concerned the extra-biblical demands that Jews live under, and told me virtually nothing about how Jews interpret the biblical texts.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;em&gt;The whole substance of the Sinai revelation [is this] &amp;hellip; suddenly, the phrase la'avod 'et H' acquired a new meaning: it meant doing all these mitzvot. That changed forever the whole character of divine-human interaction, and it's that change that all later Judaism embodies.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This statement highlights one of the fundamental differences between Christianity and Judaism (the observation is hardly original to me):&amp;nbsp; Judaism is grounded in observing the commandments in a way that Christianity simply is not.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jews will tell you that you can be an atheist and still be a Jew, as long as you continue to daven (pray), eat only kosher foods, and maintain the other &lt;em&gt;practices&lt;/em&gt; of Judaism.  For Protestant Christians, that is a very alien paradigm.  For Protestants, &lt;em&gt;what one believes&lt;/em&gt; about Jesus and the God and Father of Jesus is of primary importance.  Praxis is also important, but definitely secondary.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Roman Catholics are perhaps closer to the Jewish model:&amp;nbsp; participation in the rites of the Church is regarded as salvific, and it seems to me that the rites operate somewhat independently of the individual's beliefs.)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;em&gt;Ultimately, any Jew must admit that at some point the divinely-given text leads to the human interpreter and the poseq, indeed, to this specific taqqanah and that specific gezerah shavah.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is, in fact, the rationale for the extra-biblical tradition.  We have the Tanakh, but it provides only a general guide.  What does it mean, for example, "you shall do no work on the Sabbath"?  How far can I walk before I violate the commandment?  Such questions must be answered authoritatively, and that's what the extra-biblical tradition sets out to do.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At the risk of riding my personal hobby-horse, I suggest that Brueggemann would agree with Kugel's pragmatic observation but go well beyond it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The divinely-given text leads inevitably to the human interpreter; and the human interpreter is not only fallible but inescapably trapped in a subjective perspective, conditioned by his or her location at a specific point in space and time.  This inescapable reality has enormous implications for the claims we can make about our interpretations of scripture.  As Brueggemann puts it, the best we can do is make an interpretation &lt;em&gt;for now&lt;/em&gt;, knowing that we'll have to come back and do it all over again in future.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;em&gt;What would happen if someone could demonstrate definitively that God had truly given only one commandment to Moshe at Mount Sinai, the one in Deuteronomy that says: "You shall serve the Lord your God with your whole heart and soul." Then He said to Moshe: "Okay, you and the zeqenim and their later successors can work out the details."&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here we swing back in the direction of Christianity &amp;mdash; almost, but not quite!  Kugel and Jesus agree on the &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Matthew+22%3A34-40"&gt;Great Commandment&lt;/a&gt;.  And indeed, I think we are very close to Jesus' whole approach to religion at this point.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;The problem is, Jews and Christians disagree fundamentally on "the details" that God left to the successors of Moses to work out!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-7951472442521874432?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/7951472442521874432/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=7951472442521874432' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/7951472442521874432'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/7951472442521874432'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/11/james-kugels-provocative-thoughts-on.html' title='James Kugel&apos;s provocative thoughts on the Torah; and the Jewish blogosphere'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-7868232473256754083</id><published>2007-11-08T20:13:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-11-08T21:41:28.945-05:00</updated><title type='text'>At last, someone recognizes my "Genius"</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://www.criticsrant.com/bb/reading_level.aspx"&gt;&lt;img style="border: none;" src="http://www.criticsrant.com/bb/readinglevel/img/genius.jpg" alt="genius" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This graphic is supposed to represent the results of a linguistic analysis of &lt;strong&gt;Emerging From Babel&lt;/strong&gt;.  But actually it's designed to multiply hidden links to a commercial site.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have removed the following text from the code:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;alt="cash advance" /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/a&amp;gt;&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;a href="http://www.cashadvance1500.com"&amp;gt;Cash Advance&amp;lt;/a&amp;gt;Loans&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is such a pity, because the analysis was so right about the calibre of my blog!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-7868232473256754083?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/7868232473256754083/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=7868232473256754083' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/7868232473256754083'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/7868232473256754083'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/11/at-last-someone-recognizes-my-genius.html' title='At last, someone recognizes my &quot;Genius&quot;'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-789691886760581576</id><published>2007-11-06T20:10:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-11-07T11:21:43.537-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bible'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='salvation history'/><title type='text'>My top ten verses of scripture, part 2</title><content type='html'>(Continued from the &lt;a href="http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/11/my-top-ten-verses-of-scripture.html"&gt;previous post&lt;/a&gt;.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ol start="6"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;"And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.  And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules."&lt;/strong&gt; (Ez. 36:26-27)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I could never figure out why this verse isn't quoted in the New Testament.  Anyway, it says several significant things:&amp;nbsp; (1)&amp;nbsp;That we're a disobedient people in need of cleansing and regeneration; (2) That God isn't going to forsake us in our corrupt state &amp;mdash; God is going to provide a solution for what ails us; and (3) That the solution necessarily involves the indwelling of God's Holy Spirit.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&amp;hellip; whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness &amp;hellip; so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.&lt;/strong&gt; (Ro. 3:25-26)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We are near to the heart of the Gospel here.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why was it necessary for Jesus to die?  This question takes us into deep theological waters.  Rather than supply a final answer to the question, I am content simply to point to Paul's language here:&amp;nbsp; Jesus died so that God could &lt;em&gt;justify&lt;/em&gt; us without committing an &lt;em&gt;injustice&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;God was determined to have mercy upon us; and yet it would have been unjust of God to "clear the guilty" without providing some sort of propitiation for sin.  It may confound human understanding, but Jesus Christ is the solution to that otherwise insoluble dilemma.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;"The Lord has risen indeed, and has appeared to Simon!"&lt;/strong&gt; (Luke 24:34)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The testimony of the Eleven to Cleopas and another, anonymous disciple.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It isn't easy to select a single verse about the resurrection (raised for our &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Rom+4%3A25"&gt;justification&lt;/a&gt;? if Christ is not raised, we have believed &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Rom+4%3A25"&gt;in vain&lt;/a&gt;? Christ, the &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Colossians+1%3A18"&gt;firstborn&lt;/a&gt; from among the dead?).  But I love the resounding confidence of the assertion, "The Lord is risen indeed!"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sin, death, and the devil do not have the last word in scripture.  Christ's resurrection provides sufficient ground for Christians to persist in hope &amp;mdash; even in the face of terrible tragedy, if it comes to that.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;He [Christ] is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature.&lt;/strong&gt; (Heb.&amp;nbsp;1:3a)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And here is the other great achievement of Jesus Christ:&amp;nbsp; he makes an otherwise dimly perceived God known to us.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jesus is God's Son in a unique sense.  When we contemplate his words and deeds we gain insights into God's nature that are otherwise unavailable to us.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;"There is nothing outside a person that by going into him can defile him, but the things that come out of a person are what defile him."&lt;/strong&gt;  (Mark 7:15)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This verse is perhaps an odd choice to make it into my top ten.  However, the importance of the issue touched on here &amp;mdash; whether Christians are obliged to be circumcised, abstain from pork, and observe other elements of the Law of Moses &amp;mdash; is obvious from the trouble it stirred up in the early Church.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The saying quoted above was interpreted expansively by Mark ("Thus he declared all foods clean," 7:19) and restrictively by Matthew ("To eat with unwashed hands does not defile anyone", Mt.&amp;nbsp;15:20).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It was the determination of this issue that set Jews and Christians on divergent paths.  It opened up the church to Gentiles without requiring that they first convert to Judaism.  This development made it possible for Christianity to be, at least in principle, a universal religion.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;He has shown strength with his arm;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;he has scattered the proud in the thoughts of&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;their hearts;&lt;br /&gt;he has brought down the mighty from their thrones&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;and exalted those of humble estate;&lt;br /&gt;he has filled the hungry with good things,&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;and the rich he has sent away empty.&lt;/strong&gt; (Luke 1:51-53)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This survey would not be complete without a reference to the social justice element of Jesus' ministry (in continuity with the prophets before him).  Jesus befriended not only the poor, but those who were marginalized for whatever reason:&amp;nbsp; lepers, the demon-possessed, Samaritans, women, even those who were considered slack in their observance of the Law.  Jesus joined them at the dinner table in an anticipation of the eschatological feast, which will take place when the kingdom of God is consummated.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Note:&amp;nbsp;  God not only exalts the humble, God also humbles the exalted.  The finished work of Christ is the great leveler of society.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But the completion of Christ's work awaits the arrival of the &lt;em&gt;eschaton&lt;/em&gt;.  &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Maranatha!&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; &amp;mdash; our Lord, come!&lt;/ol&gt;OK, I ended up with eleven verses in my "top ten"!  Consider it a symbol of God's grace:&amp;nbsp; your cup has been filled to overflowing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I can't help thinking of other verses I've left off my list.  The Great Commandment, for example; and the Lord's prayer, and the words of institution of the Eucharist.  Moreover, I'm aware that different verses could be substituted for the ones I have chosen, perhaps to better effect.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, this survey represents the sweep of biblical teaching, from my perspective.  I'll be curious to hear what essential pieces others think I've left out.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think I'll tag James McGrath at &lt;a href="http://exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com/"&gt;Exploring Our Matrix&lt;/a&gt; to do this meme.  It seems to me it's his sort of thing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally:&amp;nbsp; for a very thought-provoking approach to this challenge, see John Hobbins's &lt;a href="http://ancienthebrewpoetry.typepad.com/ancient_hebrew_poetry/2007/11/top-verses-of-t.html"&gt;ten paradigmatic questions&lt;/a&gt; from the Bible.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img alt="Creative Commons License" style="border-width:0" src="http://i.creativecommons.org/l/by-nc-nd/3.0/80x15.png" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font size="1"&gt;This work is licensed under a &lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;Creative Commons Licence&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;~~~~~~~~~~~~~&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;Unless otherwise indicated, scripture is quoted from &lt;strong&gt;The Holy Bible&lt;/strong&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/advanced.search/"&gt;English Standard Version&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-789691886760581576?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/789691886760581576/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=789691886760581576' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/789691886760581576'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/789691886760581576'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/11/my-top-ten-verses-of-scripture-part-2.html' title='My top ten verses of scripture, part 2'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-5075415497424877875</id><published>2007-11-06T19:23:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-11-07T11:30:59.402-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bible'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='salvation history'/><title type='text'>My top ten verses of scripture</title><content type='html'>Doug at Metacatholic has &lt;a href="http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2007/11/the-hobbins-top-verse-challenge/"&gt;started a meme&lt;/a&gt;:&amp;nbsp; list your top ten verses of scripture.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It may sound like a mushy, sentimental idea, but it isn't.  Not if you understand the context.  &lt;a href="http://www.topverses.com/topv/wordpress/?cat=7"&gt;Topverses.com&lt;/a&gt; has "analysed thousands of pages of teaching material to determine the most frequently referenced Bible verses."  Evidently they think this is a helpful way to prioritize Bible searches:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Try our word search feature! When you use Top Verses to search the Bible for a word, our results start with familiar verses, rather than Genesis. Next time you are hunting for a reference, you will find it quicker at Top Verses.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Doug points out (in an &lt;a href="http://www.metacatholic.co.uk/2007/11/top-verses-bottom-idea/"&gt;earlier post&lt;/a&gt;) that Leviticus 18:22 &amp;mdash; "You shall not lie with a man, as with a woman. That is detestable" &amp;mdash; is the 101st most popular verse in the Bible.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Doug's idea is that bibliobloggers should post their own top ten.  Perhaps ours will come a little closer to what Christianity is really all about.  Doug didn't tag me, but here are some verses that come to mind, with annotations.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ol&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt; &amp;hellip; proclaimed, "The L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt;, the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt;, a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness, keeping steadfast love for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, but who will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children and the children's children, to the third and the fourth generation."&lt;/strong&gt; (Ex. 34:6-7)&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Bible is about YHWH.  If we put anything else at the centre of our faith, we have gone astray.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But this verse also introduces a point of significant tension:&amp;nbsp; God is merciful; yet God "will by no means clear the guilty."  The juxtaposition is awkward, but both halves of the equation are crucial to who God is.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Now the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt; said to Abram, "Go from your country and your kindred and your father's house to the land that I will show you.  And I will make of you a great nation. &amp;hellip; In you all the families of the earth shall be blessed."&lt;/strong&gt; (Gen. 12:1-3)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Salvation history arguably begins here.  When St. Paul lays out his &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?passage=Romans+4"&gt;apology&lt;/a&gt; for the Christian faith, he reaches back, beyond Moses, to Abraham.  Before the covenant with Moses, grounded in obedience to the Law, came the covenant with Abraham, grounded in faith.  There we have God's promise (so important to Gentile Christians!) to bless all the families of the earth in Abraham.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Bonus:&amp;nbsp; the text concerns Abraham's pilgrimage from Ur to the Promised Land.  That pilgrimage is an apt metaphor for a spiritual journey:&amp;nbsp; of Abraham himself, of biblical Israel, or of contemporary Christians.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;"It was not because you [Israel] were more in number than any other people that the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt; set his love on you and chose you, for you were the fewest of all peoples, but it is because the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt; loves you and is keeping the oath that he swore to your fathers."&lt;/strong&gt; (Deut. 7:7-8a)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Grace:&amp;nbsp; God's election of a people who possess no outstanding merit.  E.P. Sanders has performed a great service by &lt;a href="http://www.google.com/products?q=Sanders+Paul+and+Palestinian+Judaism&amp;sourceid=navclient-ff&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;rlz=1B3GGGL_enCA246CA247&amp;um=1&amp;checkout=1&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=product_result&amp;resnum=1&amp;ct=checkout-restrict"&gt;clearing away&lt;/a&gt; a misunderstanding here.  Christians had created a caricature of Israel's religion, insisting that Jews believe in salvation by works.  Sanders demolished the caricature:&amp;nbsp; even those texts that appear to teach a works-righteousness in fact presuppose the framework of God's gracious election of Israel.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The principle is profoundly paralleled in the Christian faith:&amp;nbsp; "God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us." (Ro.&amp;nbsp;5:8).&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;"Are you not like the Cushites to me,&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;O people of Israel?" declares the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;"Did I not bring up Israel from the land of Egypt,&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;and the Philistines from Caphtor and the Syrians&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;from Kir?"&lt;/strong&gt; (Amos&amp;nbsp;9:7)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A countertestimony; a minority voice within the dominant narrative of God's peculiar regard for Israel.  Here Amos reminds us that God's care extends to all peoples, including Israel's enemies &amp;mdash; indeed, to the whole of God's creation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Those who become proud because they have a covenant relationship with God are making a serious mistake.  We can never presume to have a corner on the market of God's loving kindness.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;I will fear no evil,&lt;br /&gt;for you are with me;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;your rod and your staff,&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;they comfort me.&lt;/strong&gt;  (Ps. 23:4)&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Hebrew scriptures are honest enough to acknowledge that the path of faith is not always unobstructed or triumphant.  Sometimes the believer is brought low &amp;mdash; very low.  When no other comfort can be found, we take comfort in God's strong and compassionate presence.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;(This post is continued &lt;a href="http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/11/my-top-ten-verses-of-scripture-part-2.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img alt="Creative Commons License" style="border-width:0" src="http://i.creativecommons.org/l/by-nc-nd/3.0/80x15.png" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font size="1"&gt;This work is licensed under a &lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;Creative Commons Licence&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;~~~~~~~~~~~~~&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;Unless otherwise indicated, scripture is quoted from &lt;strong&gt;The Holy Bible&lt;/strong&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/advanced.search/"&gt;English Standard Version&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-5075415497424877875?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/5075415497424877875/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=5075415497424877875' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/5075415497424877875'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/5075415497424877875'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/11/my-top-ten-verses-of-scripture.html' title='My top ten verses of scripture'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-2447505998201806575</id><published>2007-11-05T07:40:00.001-05:00</published><updated>2008-12-11T08:21:17.082-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='humour'/><title type='text'>The lighter side of hell</title><content type='html'>Humour from the Far Side.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/Ry8P3uvMfzI/AAAAAAAAAG4/8jq2ohkxqyM/s1600-h/hell5.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/Ry8P3uvMfzI/AAAAAAAAAG4/8jq2ohkxqyM/s400/hell5.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5129335950711488306" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/Ry8P3-vMf0I/AAAAAAAAAHA/D6fE_kJCNyg/s1600-h/hell3.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/Ry8P3-vMf0I/AAAAAAAAAHA/D6fE_kJCNyg/s400/hell3.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5129335955006455618" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/Ry8QmuvMf1I/AAAAAAAAAHI/li3A2D0JmY4/s1600-h/hell6.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/Ry8QmuvMf1I/AAAAAAAAAHI/li3A2D0JmY4/s400/hell6.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5129336758165339986" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/Ry8ROOvMf3I/AAAAAAAAAHY/jOndAu4H4iU/s1600-h/hell8.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/Ry8ROOvMf3I/AAAAAAAAAHY/jOndAu4H4iU/s400/hell8.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5129337436770172786" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/Ry8RUevMf4I/AAAAAAAAAHg/CBXoEVpPOdA/s1600-h/hell4.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/Ry8RUevMf4I/AAAAAAAAAHg/CBXoEVpPOdA/s400/hell4.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5129337544144355202" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/Ry8RVOvMf5I/AAAAAAAAAHo/x_PUiKShkeA/s1600-h/God1.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/Ry8RVOvMf5I/AAAAAAAAAHo/x_PUiKShkeA/s400/God1.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5129337557029257106" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/Ry8Qm-vMf2I/AAAAAAAAAHQ/g2hDvWfzO84/s1600-h/hell7.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/Ry8Qm-vMf2I/AAAAAAAAAHQ/g2hDvWfzO84/s400/hell7.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5129336762460307298" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For a sample of Gary Larson's dog humour, see &lt;a href="http://itsmypulp.wordpress.com/2007/11/05/dog-daze/"&gt;Dog Daze&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-2447505998201806575?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/2447505998201806575/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=2447505998201806575' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/2447505998201806575'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/2447505998201806575'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/11/lighter-side-of-hell.html' title='The lighter side of hell'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/Ry8P3uvMfzI/AAAAAAAAAG4/8jq2ohkxqyM/s72-c/hell5.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-3777896691243125687</id><published>2007-11-03T08:21:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-11-03T08:30:59.538-04:00</updated><title type='text'>The slugfest continues</title><content type='html'>I should mention that the heavyweight fight between Childs and Brueggemann &amp;mdash; or perhaps I should say, the featherweight fight between Phil and me &amp;mdash; is continuing over at Narrative and Ontology.  Phil has now weighed in with an &lt;a href="http://narrativeandontology.blogspot.com/2007/10/ecclesial-context-brueggemann-vs-childs.html"&gt;articulate defense&lt;/a&gt; of Childs's sensitivity to the ecclesial context of interpretation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also of note: John Hobbins has &lt;a href="http://ancienthebrewpoetry.typepad.com/ancient_hebrew_poetry/2007/11/canonical-exege.html"&gt;collated&lt;/a&gt; a number of posts around the blogosphere showing an interest in Childs and the canonical perspective.  John is also generating a &lt;a href="http://ancienthebrewpoetry.typepad.com/ancient_hebrew_poetry/2007/11/a-map-of-the-wo.html"&gt;biblioblogroll&lt;/a&gt;.  Go take a look:&amp;nbsp; you may find that you're already on it!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-3777896691243125687?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/3777896691243125687/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=3777896691243125687' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/3777896691243125687'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/3777896691243125687'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/11/slugfest-continues.html' title='The slugfest continues'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-6625128542625983843</id><published>2007-11-03T07:30:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-11-03T08:14:43.853-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Walter Brueggemann'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Psalms'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='narrative criticism'/><title type='text'>A literary review of a literary translation of the Psalms</title><content type='html'>Robert Alter's new translation of the Psalms is &lt;a href="http://www.google.ca/search?q=Alter+Psalms&amp;sourceid=navclient-ff&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;rlz=1B3GGGL_enCA246CA246&amp;aq=t&amp;aq=t"&gt;creating a fair stir&lt;/a&gt;.  There's a particularly good review by James Wood in &lt;a href="http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/books/2007/10/01/071001crbo_books_wood"&gt;The New Yorker&lt;/a&gt;. (Hat tip, &lt;a href="http://marvinlindsay.typepad.com/avdat/2007/11/they-cried-to-t.html"&gt;Avdat&lt;/a&gt;.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Wood is a &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Wood_(critic)"&gt;literary critic and novelist&lt;/a&gt;.  The literary perspective of the reviewer corresponds to Alter's goal of producing a literary translation:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;[Alter's] work has been characterized by &amp;hellip; a desire to convey in English the concrete ferocity of the original Hebrew. He is particularly alive to formal aspects of ancient Hebrew poetry and prose such as repetition, internal rhythm, and parallelism &amp;hellip;. Because the Psalms are poems, he wants to preserve in English what he calls the "rhythmic compactness" of the originals, "something one could scarcely guess from the existing English versions." His helpful introduction is more polemical than the exegeses he has provided for his other translations: he argues that even the King James translators, whom he, like everyone else, has always admired, pad out their versions with filler.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I am of course delighted to see that Wood reads the Psalms much like Walter Brueggemann does.  Wood is alert to what Brueggemann would summarize as the &lt;em&gt;absence and silence of God&lt;/em&gt; in certain Psalms:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Many Psalms seem to involve three modes, shuffled into different combinations, which one could call plea, plaint, and praise. Psalm 13 is characteristic, beginning in plaint with the great central cry of the Psalter, "How long": "How long, O &lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;LORD&lt;/font&gt;, will you forget me always? / How long hide your face from me? / How long shall I cast about for counsel, sorrow in my heart all day? How long will my enemy loom over me?" &amp;hellip;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then, in the fourth verse, the supplicant switches to a plea: "Regard, answer me, &lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;LORD&lt;/font&gt;, my God. / Light up my eyes, lest I sleep death." And in the last verse of this short psalm the writer switches again, this time to a kind of formulaic praise, apparently sure that his prayer has worked: "But I in Your kindness do trust. . . . Let me sing to the &lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;LORD&lt;/font&gt;, / for He requited me."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The three modes are very close to each other in spirit, staining each other: one often hears a barely suppressed note of desperation in the praise, as if it were about to collapse back into plea or plaint. When the psalmist exults "Let me sing to the &lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;LORD&lt;/font&gt;, / for He requited me," at the end of a prayer that is only six verses long, and which has barely earned its right to such certainty, do we accept it as a statement of fact or as an expression of wishful yearning? Why would a God so absent six verses earlier suddenly make himself present?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is all part of the human drama of the Psalms, that sense we have of a voice arguing with itself and its God.&lt;/blockquote&gt;The review is four "pages" long.  If you read nothing else, read page four.  Wood's analysis of Psalm 137, and his insight into the KJV translation of verse 7, is not to be missed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And perhaps I should add:&amp;nbsp; I've told my family to put Alter's translation of the Psalms on my Christmas wish list.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-6625128542625983843?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/6625128542625983843/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=6625128542625983843' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/6625128542625983843'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/6625128542625983843'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/11/literary-review-of-literary-translation.html' title='A literary review of a literary translation of the Psalms'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-8427723586563292094</id><published>2007-10-30T21:26:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-10-31T10:46:34.392-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bible'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Walter Brueggemann'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='method'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='internal inconsistencies'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Brevard Childs'/><title type='text'>Brevard Childs: champion of orthodoxy</title><content type='html'>This is a continuation of my &lt;a href="http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/10/two-heavyweight-scholars-slug-it-out.html"&gt;previous post&lt;/a&gt;:&amp;nbsp; the second part of my response to Brevard Childs's critique of Walter Brueggemann's &lt;em&gt;Theology of the Old Testament: Testimony, Dispute, Advocacy&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I began the previous post by saying that the article isn't very flattering to Childs.  In this post, it will become clear why I see it that way.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold"&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;The little texts and the Great Tradition:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First, allow me to juxtapose two of Childs's statements.  The point is to demonstrate that Childs's criticism of Brueggemann is unjustified.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;table border="3" cellpadding="6"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;th align ="center"&gt;criticism; pp. 230-31&lt;/th&gt; &lt;th align ="center"&gt;summary; p. 228&lt;/th&gt;&lt;/tr&gt; &lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;The biblical editors retained the radical scepticism of the book of Ecclesiastes largely in an unredactored [uncensored] form.  But they added in an epilogue a rule for properly interpreting the book, &lt;span style="background-color:yellow;"&gt;namely, it is to be heard within the framework of Torah&lt;/span&gt; (Eccles. 12:13f.).  When Brueggemann assigns an independent role to such traditions as counter- testimony, he is running in the very face of Israel's canonical witness.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;[Brueggemann's approach] would seek to do justice to the radical unsettlement evoked by the new postmodern epistemological situation with its insistence on pluralism. &amp;hellip; Accordingly, interpretation is defined by Brueggemann as an ongoing process of negotiating among the full range of conflictional testimonies which &lt;span style="background-color:yellow;"&gt;avoids any absolute claims &amp;mdash; whether historical or ontological &amp;mdash; beyond the court of appeal found in the biblical text itself&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The &lt;em&gt;criticism&lt;/em&gt; of Brueggemann's method, on the left, has already been explored in the previous post.  However, I now call your attention to the statement highlighted in yellow.  As long as the book of Ecclesiastes is "heard within the framework of Torah", the biblical editors were content to allow the community of faith to study it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now consider Childs's &lt;em&gt;summary&lt;/em&gt; of Brueggemann's method, on the right.  The claims of the various testimonies are to be adjudicated by "the court of appeal found in the biblical text itself."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The biblical editors insisted that we must hear Ecclesiastes within the framework of Torah; Brueggemann is committed to precisely the same thing.  Childs's objection appears to be unjustified.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Brueggemann falls into error, according to Childs, when he assigns &lt;em&gt;an independent role&lt;/em&gt; to Ecclesiastes (and other such countertestimonial texts).  But Brueggemann emphatically denies the charge:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Of course nothing could be further from the truth.  I have consistently said that the different testimonies are endlessly in tension with and corrected by other testimony.  None is freestanding, none is isolated, none is cut off. (p. 235)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The slight variation between [Professor Childs's] approach and mine I believe to be a more benign variation than his rhetoric suggests.  What is at issue is the endlessly tricky relation between 'The Great Tradition' and the 'little texts.' &amp;hellip; It is my concern that in future generations, the Church will be able to attend to the 'little texts,' even as it commits to the Great Tradition. (p. 237)&lt;/blockquote&gt;I think that's sage advice:&amp;nbsp; &lt;em&gt;attend to&lt;/em&gt; the "little texts"; &lt;em&gt;commit to&lt;/em&gt; the Great Tradition.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold"&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;Childs, champion of orthodoxy:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Childs, on the other hand, approves of the subordination of some of the voices found within the biblical text.  I am not putting words into his mouth.  I quoted his statement to that effect in the previous post:&amp;nbsp; "the biblical editors subordinated [certain] voices", including the radical scepticism of Ecclesiastes (p. 230).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Childs approves of this work of subordination.  Brueggemann errs because "he feels free to reconstruct voices on which Israel's authors had already rendered a judgment" (p. 230).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Indeed &amp;mdash; and here's the point I have been building up to &amp;mdash; Childs attempts to marginalize Brueggemann's voice.  Childs makes himself the champion of orthodoxy:&amp;nbsp; he argues that Brueggemann's method tilts carelessly toward heresy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;It may be that one is philosophically justified in characterising Brueggemann's approach as postmodern.  However, from a theological perspective the closest analogy is found in the Early Church's struggle with Gnosticism. &amp;hellip;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One does not have to look far to discover the striking analogies between Brueggemann's postmodernism and ancient Gnosticism.  Both operate within an overarching philosophical system in which [Brueggemann's] 'imaginative construal' closely parallels Gnostic 'speculation' as a means for correcting the received biblical tradition.  Both approaches work with a sharply defined dualism between a God of creation who is known and predictable, and one who is hidden, unknown, and capricious.&lt;/blockquote&gt;By characterizing Brueggemann's method as analogous to Gnosticism, Childs sets out to consign Brueggemann's &lt;em&gt;Theology of the Old Testament&lt;/em&gt; to a place outside the pale of orthodox Christian teaching.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I submit that Childs's canonical approach has a natural tendency in that direction.  If you accept that the biblical editors deliberately subordinated unsettling voices like that of Ecclesiastes, and you regard that subordinating activity as legitimate, inevitably you will be tempted to subordinate unsettling voices like Brueggemann's to your vision of orthodoxy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold"&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;The lived reality of the believing Church:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Childs speaks of "an established range of truthful witness".  Brueggemann would not disagree with that way of expressing things.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But for Brueggemann, the radical scepticism of Ecclesiastes (and other countertestimonial texts) are &lt;em&gt;within&lt;/em&gt; what is, by Childs's admission, a &lt;em&gt;range&lt;/em&gt; of truthful witness.  Here Brueggemann appeals to the lived reality of the believing Church:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;What I have done is to give 'other voices' a serious hearing, for there is no doubt that in Scripture there are voices of witness in profound tension with each other.  The issue turns on which witnesses are truthful, but it has been the lived reality of the Church that different witnesses in Scripture have been heard as truthful on different occasions. &amp;hellip;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The silence and absence of God is indeed a lived reality that must be fully taken into account.  I have not wanted to let any 'large' ecclesial claims censor the lived reality of the believing Church.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(pp. 235-36)&lt;/blockquote&gt;Update:&amp;nbsp; I wasn't quite satisfied with the ending of this post last night, but I couldn't think what to add.  Here's the point I didn't quite get to.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One of the great insights which emerges from Brueggemann's approach is that "postmodern" experiences are not at all new or unprecedented.  The silence and absence of God; anomie; alienation; fragmentation; meaninglessness; doubt and confusion &amp;mdash; all these postmodern themes were known to the ancient Israelites and reported honestly in scripture.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Brueggemann's approach is explicitly pastoral.  He recognizes the immense potential of the "little texts" of scripture to address the distinctive needs of a postmodern people.  Hence his determined effort to reclaim these voices in the service of the Church.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img alt="Creative Commons License" style="border-width:0" src="http://i.creativecommons.org/l/by-nc-nd/3.0/80x15.png" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font size="1"&gt;This work is licensed under a &lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;Creative Commons Licence&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;~~~~~~~~~~~~~&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;Scottish Journal of Theology vol. 53, no. 2, 2000, pp. 228-233, with a reply by Brueggemann at pp. 234-238.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-8427723586563292094?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/8427723586563292094/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=8427723586563292094' title='15 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/8427723586563292094'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/8427723586563292094'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/10/brevard-childs-champion-of-orthodoxy.html' title='Brevard Childs: champion of orthodoxy'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>15</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-4506295734792852047</id><published>2007-10-29T09:30:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-10-30T22:02:35.452-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bible'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Walter Brueggemann'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='method'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='internal inconsistencies'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Brevard Childs'/><title type='text'>Two heavyweight scholars slug it out</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://narrativeandontology.blogspot.com/"&gt;Phil Sumpter&lt;/a&gt; suggested that I read Brevard Childs's critique of Walter Brueggemann's &lt;em&gt;Theology of the Old Testament: Testimony, Dispute, Advocacy&lt;/em&gt;.  The critique, with a reply from Brueggemann, was published in the Scottish Journal of Theology seven years ago.&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Readers of our respective blogs will know that Phil's theological sympathies lie with Childs, whereas mine lie with Brueggemann.  I found the exchange between Childs and Brueggemann illuminating, but not very flattering to Childs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold"&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;The core disagreement:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here's an excerpt from Childs's article which directs our attention to the key difference in the two scholars' approaches.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The present form of the biblical literature emerged during a long process of collecting, shaping and transmitting a wide variety of different traditions arranged in sections of Torah, Prophets, and Writings toward the end of serving communities of Israel as an authoritative guide of faith and practice.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In this process various editors exercised a critical function in registering from the received traditions that which they deemed truthful and authoritative.  This shaping thus involved a &lt;em&gt;Sachkritik&lt;/em&gt; [i.e., the editors passed judgement on the texts that had been handed down to them] which was not simply reflective of private, idiosyncratic agenda, but which arose from actual communal practice and belief.  Accordingly, Moses not &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Numbers+16"&gt;Korah&lt;/a&gt;, Jeremiah not &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Jeremiah+28"&gt;Hananiah&lt;/a&gt;, were judged to be faithful tradents of divine revelation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In a word, Israel shaped its literature confessionally to bear testimony to what it received as containing an established range of truthful witness.  At the same time, &lt;strong&gt;the biblical editors subordinated other voices, either by placing them within a negative setting, or omitting them [from the canon] altogether as deleterious to Israel's faith&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(p. 230; both the emphasis and the paragraph breaks were added by me)&lt;/blockquote&gt;Here we have a concise description of Childs's "canonical approach" to Old Testament interpretation.  The editors of the Bible did not pass on Israel's traditional texts uncritically.  They shaped the texts during the process of transmission; they contextualized the texts by inserting editorial remarks; and they left other texts out of the canon altogether.  Hence the canon functions as a control, subtly determining how the reader interprets any individual text.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There's nothing unique to Childs about the analysis so far.  Critical scholars agree that this editorializing activity went on during the transmission of Israel's traditional texts.  They also agree that the goal of that activity was to set boundaries on interpretation &amp;mdash; i.e., to subordinate certain voices.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Where Childs stands apart from other critical scholars, including Brueggemann, is in maintaining that &lt;strong&gt;canon as an instrument of control is good&lt;/strong&gt;.  According to Childs, we must respect the boundaries that have been marked out for us.  Evangelicals would likely agree with that statement, but it's unusual to hear it from a critical scholar.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Childs tests Brueggemann's book against this standard:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;In contrast, when Brueggemann seeks to describe a category of countertestimony to the so-called core tradition, he feels free to reconstruct voices on which Israel's authors had already rendered a judgment. &amp;hellip; [For example,] the biblical editors retained the radical scepticism of the book of Ecclesiastes largely in an unredactored [uncensored] form.  But they added in an epilogue a rule for properly interpreting the book, namely, it is to be heard within the framework of Torah (&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?passage=Eccl+12%3A13-14"&gt;Eccles. 12:13f.&lt;/a&gt;).  When Brueggemann assigns an independent role to such traditions as countertestimony, he is running in the very face of Israel's canonical witness.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yet it is also obvious that Israel's genuine complaints before God constitute a major positive witness within a large portion of the Bible.  They are present in the Psalter, Prophets, and Wisdom literature as a truthful testimony to Israel's experience before God &lt;strong&gt;in order not to contradict, but rather to establish its core tradition of faith&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(pp. 230-31; emphasis added)&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold"&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;Ecclesiastes as a case study:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the reference to Ecclesiastes, we have a case study of the differences between Childs and Brueggemann.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ecclesiastes seems to be a very humanistic book.  For example:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;For what happens to the children of man and what happens to the beasts is the same; as one dies, so dies the other. They all have the same breath, and man has no advantage over the beasts, for all is vanity.  All go to one place. All are from the dust, and to dust all return.  Who knows whether the spirit of man goes upward and the spirit of the beast goes down into the earth? (3:19-21)&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Clearly this text stands in uneasy tension with other parts of the Bible.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In Brueggemann's view, it is a mistake to try to eliminate that tension.  We must allow Qoheleth to testify to his experience.  It is an authentic experience that many believers can identify with; it is a legitimate countertestimony to Israel's core tradition.  We must not paper over the cracks in the biblical witness.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Childs, on the other hand, says that the editors of scripture have already passed judgement on the book of Ecclesiastes.  He agrees that Ecclesiastes is a truthful testimony to Israel's experience.  But he adds that the editors have carefully circumscribed (subordinated) Qoheleth's voice by appending a critical comment at the end of the book:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The end of the matter; all has been heard. Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man.  For God will bring every deed into judgment, with every secret thing, whether good or evil. (Eccl. 12:13-14)&lt;/blockquote&gt;According to Childs, the apparent problem now vanishes.  Ecclesiastes doesn't contradict the rest of the Bible.  Because of this editorial appendix to the book, Ecclesiastes establishes Israel's core tradition.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold"&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;Conclusions:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have more to say, but I will do so in a follow-up post.  For now, let's draw some conclusions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;The distinction between "liberal" and "conservative" is sometimes facile, and Childs illustrates one way in which it can break down.  Childs is "liberal" insofar as he is a critical scholar.  Evangelicals typically insist that the Pentateuch, for example, was written by Moses, under YHWH's inspiration.  They would be reluctant to concede that editors have altered the text in the process of transmission.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But Childs ultimately arrives at very conservative conclusions.  He champions orthodoxy, insisting that voices like that of Qoheleth must be subordinated to the witness of the canon as a whole.  For that reason, Childs is likely to appeal to evangelicals, who engage in a similar practice (the "harmonization" of scripture).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So is Childs a liberal or a conservative?  Answer: Yes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And Childs is not so exceptional.  James Dunn, for example, is a New Testament scholar who works within liberal presuppositions but often arrives at conservative conclusions.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;One can see that there is considerable agreement between Childs and Brueggemann, because they both accept the findings of critical scholarship.  They agree that considerable editorializing activity has taken place during the process of transmission of the biblical texts.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;In the end, the difference between them boils down to a value judgement.  Childs considers the data and deems the editorializing activity &lt;em&gt;good&lt;/em&gt;.  Brueggemann considers the data and deems the editorializing activity &lt;em&gt;suspect&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We all know that the Church (and the synagogue, though it's not my place to say it) has a long, problematic history of suppressing dissenting voices.  Leaders in the Church have a vested interest in retaining their position of privilege.  To do so necessarily means that marginalized people must be kept on the margins.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One clear example of this is the subordination of women to male leaders.  Consider the data.  At one point, St. Paul says there is no male or female, for &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Galatians+3%3A26-28"&gt;we are all one&lt;/a&gt; in Christ Jesus.  But at other points, Paul says that women must not speak in the assembly; and they are not to teach or to exercise authority over men.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;As in all the churches of the saints, the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says.  If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church. (1Co. 14:33b-35)&lt;/blockquote&gt;What shall we make of this text?  Is this Paul's voice?  Or &amp;mdash; as the evangelical scholar Gordon Fee argues &amp;mdash; is this an interpolation by a later editor of Paul's letter to the Corinthians?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If it is an interpolation, should we accept the opinion of the later editor?  (That would seem to be the logical conclusion of Child's canonical approach.)  Or should we insist that the editorial activity distorts Paul's voice, and allow Paul to have his say?  In my view, we should follow Paul's egalitarian principle and open up church leadership to women.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thus I come down firmly on the side of Brueggemann.  The editorializing activity really did take place, as Childs and Brueggemann agree.  But this tendency of the orthodox to suppress voices that make them uncomfortable &amp;mdash; I regard it as suspect, with Brueggemann, pace Childs.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;More to come in the next post &amp;mdash; probably 48 hours from now.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;update:&amp;nbsp; the follow-up post can be found &lt;a href="http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/10/brevard-childs-champion-of-orthodoxy.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img alt="Creative Commons License" style="border-width:0" src="http://i.creativecommons.org/l/by-nc-nd/3.0/80x15.png" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font size="1"&gt;This work is licensed under a &lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;Creative Commons Licence&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;~~~~~~~~~~~~~&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;SJT vol. 53, no. 2, 2000, pp. 228-233.  Brueggemann's reply is at pp. 234-238.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;Unless otherwise indicated, scripture is quoted from &lt;strong&gt;The Holy Bible&lt;/strong&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/advanced.search/"&gt;English Standard Version&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-4506295734792852047?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/4506295734792852047/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=4506295734792852047' title='8 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/4506295734792852047'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/4506295734792852047'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/10/two-heavyweight-scholars-slug-it-out.html' title='Two heavyweight scholars slug it out'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>8</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-3563850074270971600</id><published>2007-10-27T06:40:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-10-27T08:12:23.558-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Walter Brueggemann'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='ministry'/><title type='text'>A time to tear down, and a time to build up</title><content type='html'>Some years ago, I knew a woman who had taken a course in pastoral counselling at a local seminary.  The course was a syncretistic blend of Roman Catholic theology and Jungian psychotherapy.  She had to go undergo psychotherapy sessions as part of the program.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When I met her, she was a mess.  Maybe she was emotionally fragile before she took the course &amp;mdash; I don't know.  But my impression was, her therapists had taken her psyche apart and failed to put it back together again.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sometimes I think seminaries do the same thing to their students.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You apply to a seminary innocently expecting to be equipped for pastoral ministry.  Instead, you are introduced to the modern "science" of critical scholarship, which takes scripture apart, piece by piece.  (All science uses this process of breaking a thing apart into its constituent pieces to try to understand it.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You enter seminary with a heart overflowing with faith and devotion; you exit seminary wondering if you can trust anything the Bible says on any topic.  And voila! &amp;mdash; here's your degree &amp;mdash; you've graduated into pastoral ministry!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The experience isn't unique to seminarians, of course.  University studies undermine the faith of many young Christians.  Let me quote a post by &lt;a href="http://marvinlindsay.typepad.com/avdat/"&gt;Avdat&lt;/a&gt;, who shared &lt;a href="http://marvinlindsay.typepad.com/avdat/2007/07/i-love-these-dy.html"&gt;this gem&lt;/a&gt; from Walter Brueggemann:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Walter Brueggemann would give a rather cheeky talk about how one's changing view of scripture parallels one's changing view of the family of origin:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ol&gt;&lt;li&gt;"The Bible is the Word of God."  This is what we say when we're young and our knowledge of the scriptures is limited to what we learned in Sunday School.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This statement is not unlike saying, "I have a normal family."  It's a statement of love, respect and great naivete.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;"The Bible is a mess of contradictions, myths and legends."  This is what we say after we take a religion class in college.  Or, after we're put through the meat grinder of Biblical studies in a mainline seminary. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's not unlike saying, "My family is a dysfunctional mess, and I'm not coming home for Christmas!"  The latter statement, like the former, is the product of some distance and new, third-party perspective, the therapist substituting for the professor.  Oh yes, and there's anger in both statements.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;"But they're still my family."  After a while you own them again as your own.  You don't pretend that you haven't learned that your father is an alcoholic and your mother is co-dependent, but they're yours, and you still love them, warts and all.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And if we can say, "It's still the Word of God" (two creation stories and all), then we've made the parallel and necessary third move.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;Brueggemann admitted that seminaries are a lot better at moving people from stage one to stage two than they are from stage two to stage three.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Brueggemann's other way of putting this is to speak of a cycle of (1) Orientation; (2) Disorientation; and (3) New Orientation.&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;  In time, the "new" orientation will suffer disorientation in its turn.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's a rather cynical analysis, I suppose, but how else would one grow?  You can't make progress while keeping everything the same.  It is to have one's cake and eat it, too.  Thus remaining innocent (ignorant?) isn't an option.  God has a way of shaking us out of our complacency, however disturbing we may find the process.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Not so long ago, I left a comment on a blog in which I applied this paradigm to evangelicals and liberals.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;I have had some experience in both liberal and evangelical churches. The evangelicals have a blinkered perspective; they duck the hard questions. But the liberal pastors are very, very confused, which of course filters down to their parishioners!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am fond of Brueggemann's notion that believers pass through a cycle of orientation / disorientation / new orientation. Evangelicals seem to me to be stuck at the "orientation" stage — they need to go on a voyage of discovery, have their world rocked a bit. But many liberals are stuck at the disorientation stage.&lt;/blockquote&gt;They're stuck there because that's where liberal seminaries leave their pastors.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I submit that all seminaries should attend to Ecclesiastes 3:3.  Evangelicals need to understand that there is a time to tear down, in good scientific fashion.  A time for &lt;a href="http://dict.die.net/analysis/"&gt;analysis&lt;/a&gt; ("the abstract separation of a whole into its constituent parts for study").&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But all scholars and professors need to understand that there is also a time to build up.  A time for &lt;a href="http://dict.die.net/synthesis/"&gt;synthesis&lt;/a&gt; ("the combination of ideas into a complex whole").&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Indeed, the building up is the most important part &amp;mdash; the goal of the whole undertaking.  If our seminaries tear the Bible apart and fail to put it back together again, they do pastors &amp;mdash; and the Church &amp;mdash; a grave disservice.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I've been through this process of disorientation myself.  In some ways, I feel as if I'm only now entering the "new orientation" phase.  Hence the title of this blog:&amp;nbsp; Emerging From Babel.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img alt="Creative Commons License" style="border-width:0" src="http://i.creativecommons.org/l/by-nc-nd/3.0/80x15.png" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font size="1"&gt;This work is licensed under a &lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;Creative Commons Licence&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;~~~~~~~~~~~~~&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;This is the outline Brueggemann utilizes in his &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Message-Psalms-Theological-Commentary-Testament/dp/0806621206"&gt;survey of the Psalms&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-3563850074270971600?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/3563850074270971600/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=3563850074270971600' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/3563850074270971600'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/3563850074270971600'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/10/time-to-tear-down-and-time-to-build-up.html' title='A time to tear down, and a time to build up'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-6979667495708572604</id><published>2007-10-21T21:26:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-10-22T07:29:13.216-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='prophets'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Paul Ricoeur'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='defilement'/><title type='text'>Defilement, part 2</title><content type='html'>Let me briefly recapitulate &lt;a href="http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/10/defilement-alien-concept-that-permeates.html"&gt;part 1&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Defilement and sin are discrete, albeit overlapping, constructs.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;Christians ought to learn what the references to defilement mean, because such references permeate the Bible (including the New Testament).&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;We took the following quote from Paul Ricoeur as a summary statement:&amp;nbsp; "The repertory of defilement appears to us sometimes too broad, sometimes too narrow, or unbalanced."&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;It is too &lt;em&gt;broad&lt;/em&gt; (from our perspective) insofar as it contains some matters that seem perfectly innocent.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;Second, it is too &lt;em&gt;narrow&lt;/em&gt; insofar as it gives short shrift to misdeeds that we regard as serious offences.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;Third, it is &lt;em&gt;unbalanced&lt;/em&gt; &amp;mdash;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;but that is where we pick up the argument in this post.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold"&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;3. Unbalanced:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The purity / defilement system is "unbalanced", Ricoeur tells us.  By this he means that relatively inconsequential matters (from our perspective) are regarded as grave.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We have already seen this in the saying attributed to Jesus in Mt.&amp;nbsp;23 (quoted in part one).  Jesus mocked the Pharisees for scrupulously observing the tithe (tithing even their herbs and spices) while neglecting the "weightier" matters of the law.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But Ricoeur doesn't discuss tithing.  He focuses on a different characteristic of the "repertory" of defilement:&amp;nbsp; one that has long puzzled me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;One is struck by the importance and the gravity attached to the violation of interdictions of a sexual character in the economy of defilement.  The prohibitions against incest, sodomy, abortion, relations at forbidden times &amp;mdash; and sometimes places &amp;mdash; are so fundamental that the inflation of the sexual is characteristic of the whole system of defilement, so that an indissoluble complicity between sexuality and defilement seems to have been formed from time immemorial. (p. 28)&lt;/blockquote&gt;To illustrate Ricoeur's observation, I would call attention to 1Co. 6:9-10 &amp;mdash;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:&amp;nbsp; neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;It seems to me that the Church devotes a disproportionate amount of attention &amp;mdash; and emotional voltage &amp;mdash; to the sexual sins on Paul's list.  For example, I have never heard of a believer being confronted with this text because s/he is greedy.  In an acquisitive, capitalist society, am I to suppose there are no greedy people in our churches?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I submit that we do not really believe what Paul says here:&amp;nbsp; that the greedy will not inherit the kingdom of God.  On the other hand, we are prepared to believe it with respect to fornicators, adulterers, and homosexuals.  Those people are storing up wrath for themselves on the day of God's judgement &amp;mdash; we know it in our very bones.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why are we preoccupied by sexual sins?  Because the fear of defilement still determines our responses at a deep, unconscious level.  We acknowledge that greed is a sin; but homosexual activity elicits a greater emotional response from us because unconsciously we regard it as a &lt;em&gt;defiling&lt;/em&gt; sin.&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Conservative Christians may dispute what I have just said.  It is clear in their minds &amp;mdash; indeed, it is a core part of their identity &amp;mdash; that society is wrong when it winks at fornication, adultery, and homosexuality.  But even conservatives must recognize the validity of Ricoeur's point when we shift our attention to other biblical texts:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;When you are encamped against your enemies, then you shall keep yourself from every evil thing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If any man among you becomes unclean because of a nocturnal emission, then he shall go outside the camp. He shall not come inside the camp, but when evening comes, he shall bathe himself in water, and as the sun sets, he may come inside the camp. (Deut. 23:9-11)&lt;/blockquote&gt;Like the law concerning menstrual uncleanness, this law refers to a matter that is entirely involuntary (since the man is asleep at the time).  Moreover, we must surely be struck by the fact that an innocuous sexual matter is regarded as a gravely serious source of defilement.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Behind the text is an unstated fear that Israel will lose a battle because of one soldier's defilement.  Better to have a mighty man of valour sit out the battle than have him fight in a state of uncleanness due to a nocturnal emission!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold"&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;Conclusions:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ol&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Broader, narrower, unbalanced&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The purpose of this post was to demonstrate that &lt;em&gt;defilement&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;sin&lt;/em&gt; are discrete constructs.  By comparison to the offences that we usually mean when we speak of "sin", the repertory of defilement is broader at some points, narrower at other points, and unbalanced.  In particular, it gives disproportionate significance to sexual matters.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Quasi-material&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ricoeur suggests that sexual matters receive disproportionate emphasis because of their physicality &amp;mdash; the bodily fluids associated with sex.  Sexual impurity&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;is connected with the presence of a material "something" that transmits itself by contact and contagion. &amp;hellip; By many of its traits sexuality supports the ambiguity of a quasi-materiality of defilement. (p. 28)&lt;/blockquote&gt;Thus the puzzling preoccupation with sexual matters gives us an insight into the nature of defilement:&amp;nbsp; it is "quasi-material".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Defilement blurs the distinction between &lt;em&gt;physical&lt;/em&gt; contamination and &lt;em&gt;ethical&lt;/em&gt; contamination.  It is this ambiguity that enables defilement to function as a symbol.  Biblical texts can use the language of (physical) defilement to symbolize the stain (on one's soul) which results from sin.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Likewise, we can take biblical references to defilement and "translate" them, treating them as if they were references to sin.  But we should always be conscious of this process when we engage in it.  We may be reading something into the text that is actually one step removed from its original scope.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Utility as a symbol for sin&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally, I return to Isaiah 6, the text quoted at the beginning of part one.  Isaiah cries out (1) "I am a man of unclean lips," and (2) "I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips."  Note the second statement.  Here we are unmistakably in the realm of defilement (as opposed to sin).  Isaiah implies that uncleanness is a kind of contagion, communicated from one contaminated person to the next via physical contact.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Isaiah is seized with dread, for a defiled person must die when he enters the presence of a God who is rightly described as "Holy, Holy, Holy".  But perhaps the text ought to say, "Pure, Pure, Pure"?  Here the language is already subtly shifting away from defilement/purity toward sin/holiness.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One of the seraphim flies to Isaiah.  He touches Isaiah's mouth with a burning coal, taken from the altar.  And he says, "Behold, &amp;hellip; your guilt is taken away, and your sin atoned for."  Here we see the same juxtaposition yet again.  The altar exists for the express purpose of removing defilement (through rites carried out by priests).  Thus, when the seraph touches a coal from the altar to Isaiah's lips, he is performing a rite of purification.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But the seraph then speaks of guilt and sin, effectively changing the topic from the physical (defilement) to the ethical (sin).&lt;/ol&gt;I hope that this (long!) post has clarified the distinction between defilement and sin, and shed light on at least one biblical text.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But it is only an introduction to a topic that warrants a series of posts.  More to come in due course!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img alt="Creative Commons License" style="border-width:0" src="http://i.creativecommons.org/l/by-nc-nd/3.0/80x15.png" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font size="1"&gt;This work is licensed under a &lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;Creative Commons Licence&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;~~~~~~~~~~~~~&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;em&gt;The Symbolism of Evil&lt;/em&gt;, transl. Emerson Buchanan, Beacon Press, 1967, p. 26.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;Unless otherwise indicated, scripture is quoted from &lt;strong&gt;The Holy Bible&lt;/strong&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/preface/"&gt;English Standard Version&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;Cf. Walter Brueggemann's remarks on this topic.  It is Brueggemann's impression "that the enormous hostility to homosexual persons &amp;hellip; does not concern issues of justice and injustice, but rather concerns the more elemental issues of purity &amp;mdash; cleanness and uncleanness.﻿ This more elemental concern is evidenced in the widespread notion that homosexuals must be disqualified from access to wherever society has its important stakes and that physical contact with them is contaminating."&lt;em&gt;Theology of the Old Testament: Testimony, dispute, advocacy&lt;/em&gt;, Fortress Press, 1997, p. 194.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-6979667495708572604?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/6979667495708572604/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=6979667495708572604' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/6979667495708572604'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/6979667495708572604'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/10/defilement-part-2.html' title='Defilement, part 2'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-2294764151792023915</id><published>2007-10-19T15:31:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2007-10-19T16:00:08.523-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Come on and join the fun!</title><content type='html'>The readers of &lt;strong&gt;Emerging From Babel&lt;/strong&gt; have been specially invited to participate in the dialogue over at &lt;a href="http://ancienthebrewpoetry.typepad.com/"&gt;Ancient Hebrew Poetry&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Stephen of Emerging from Babel and ElShaddai Edwards of He is Sufficient have blogrolls of interest. It would be great fun to get some of the bloggers they list involved in discussions we have.&lt;/blockquote&gt;The quote is from a comment on &lt;a href="http://ancienthebrewpoetry.typepad.com/ancient_hebrew_poetry/2007/10/blogroll-update.html"&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; post.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm honoured to receive John's attention and encouragement.  I am no scholar, whereas John is a &lt;em&gt;very&lt;/em&gt; erudite individual.  He specializes in the translation of Hebrew texts.  Recently he has posted a series on the philosophy of translation, which has triggered a lot of discussion with fellow bloggers.  John advocates a "literary" translation:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The debate has been hamstrung to some extent because of the thesis I began with:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If a text is literary, its dynamic equivalent must also be literary.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That led some people to conclude that I thought the original language texts of the Bible are written in a uniform literary style. Nothing was further from my thoughts. It is the leveling to an identical, monotonous style and register which has long characterized Bible translation. It is this leveling I protest.&lt;/blockquote&gt;The quote is from the third post, but whole series is interesting (&lt;a href="http://ancienthebrewpoetry.typepad.com/ancient_hebrew_poetry/2007/10/is-literary-tra.html"&gt;one&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://ancienthebrewpoetry.typepad.com/ancient_hebrew_poetry/2007/10/if-a-text-is-li.html"&gt;two&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://ancienthebrewpoetry.typepad.com/ancient_hebrew_poetry/2007/10/faithful-bible-.html"&gt;three&lt;/a&gt;).  In any event, check out the blog &amp;mdash; any biblioblogger is bound to find topics of interest.  And after all, you've been specially invited!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-2294764151792023915?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/2294764151792023915/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=2294764151792023915' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/2294764151792023915'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/2294764151792023915'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/10/come-on-and-join-fun.html' title='Come on and join the fun!'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-2400757160983131033</id><published>2007-10-18T19:29:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-10-21T21:42:27.219-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='prophets'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Paul Ricoeur'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='defilement'/><title type='text'>Defilement: an alien concept that permeates the Bible</title><content type='html'>&lt;blockquote&gt;In the year that King Uzziah died I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up; and the train of his robe filled the temple.  Above him stood the seraphim. Each had six wings: with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew.  And one called to another and said:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;"Holy, holy, holy is the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt; of hosts;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;the whole earth is full of his glory!"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And the foundations of the thresholds shook at the voice of him who called, and the house was filled with smoke.  And I said: "Woe is me! For I am lost; for I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips; for my eyes have seen the King, the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt; of hosts!"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then one of the seraphim flew to me, having in his hand a burning coal that he had taken with tongs from the altar.  And he touched my mouth and said: "Behold, this has touched your lips; your guilt is taken away, and your sin atoned for."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?" Then I said, "Here am I! Send me."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;em&gt;Isaiah 6:1-8&lt;/em&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;In this text, Isaiah employs the language of defilement (crying out that he is an &lt;em&gt;unclean&lt;/em&gt; representative of an &lt;em&gt;unclean&lt;/em&gt; people); whereas the seraphim employs the language of sin ("your &lt;em&gt;guilt&lt;/em&gt; is taken away, and your &lt;em&gt;sin&lt;/em&gt; atoned for").&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With that observation, we are plunged into the topic that I want to explore in a series of posts.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold"&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;Introduction:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Defilement and sin are discrete, if overlapping, constructs.  Contemporary Christians living in the West rarely give careful thought to defilement.  And yet it appears again and again throughout every part of the Bible &amp;mdash; including the New Testament!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;If any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he should not divorce her. &amp;hellip; [For] the unbelieving wife is made holy because of her husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy. (1Co. 7:12-14)&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;What&lt;/em&gt;?!  &lt;em&gt;But &amp;hellip; but &amp;hellip; but &amp;hellip; I thought that was old covenant talk&lt;/em&gt;!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And indeed, I confess that I don't understand the text I've just quoted.  Sin and atonement, I understand.  But defilement as a contagion that is passed on from parent to child?  What are the implications of 1Co.&amp;nbsp;7 for a child who dies?  Did Christ's atonement address the problem of &lt;em&gt;uncleanness&lt;/em&gt; as well as the problem of &lt;em&gt;sin&lt;/em&gt;?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am embarking on this series of posts because I have only a partial understanding of the sociological construct, &lt;em&gt;defilement&lt;/em&gt;, and yet it permeates the Bible.  I don't know yet what conclusions will emerge from the study.  I don't have settled convictions at this point; I only have questions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We don't attend to defilement for two reasons.  First, it is utterly alien to us, as will become clear in the next section.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Second, references to defilement are easily "translated" and regarded as references to sin.  This is precisely what we see in the Isaiah&amp;nbsp;6 text, when the language shifts from Isaiah's &lt;em&gt;uncleanness&lt;/em&gt; to his &lt;em&gt;guilt&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;sin&lt;/em&gt;.  We engage in this sort of "translation" all the time without ever pausing to consider what we're doing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But there's an interpretive problem lurking in the shadows here.  We need to shed some light on it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold"&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;Too broad, too narrow, and unbalanced:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Philosopher Paul Ricoeur will be our guide as we consider the topic:&amp;nbsp; primarily &lt;em&gt;The Symbolism of Evil&lt;/em&gt;, a book-length examination of defilement, sin, and guilt.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the book's first chapter, Ricoeur explains why we are so befuddled by defilement.  He writes, "The repertory of defilement appears to us sometimes too broad, sometimes too narrow, or unbalanced."&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;1. Too broad:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By "too broad", Ricoeur means that the category, &lt;em&gt;sources of defilement&lt;/em&gt;, contains some things that seem perfectly innocent to us.  And so they are:&amp;nbsp; for "innocent" is the language of sin, but defilement is oriented to a different set of concerns.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ricoeur offers two non-biblical examples of sources of defilement:&amp;nbsp; "the frog that leaps into the fire [and] the hyena that leaves its excrements in the neighborhood of a tent."  Biblical parallels are easily supplied.  For example, "You shall not approach a woman to uncover her nakedness while she is in her menstrual uncleanness" (Lev.&amp;nbsp;18:19).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Note that the text does not merely forbid sexual relations during a woman's period; it says that the woman is &lt;em&gt;unclean&lt;/em&gt; during her period.  Rabbis later forebade any physical contact with women.  You never know whether a woman is menstruating; thus she must always be regarded as a source of defilement.  You can't even shake hands with her.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Once again, we find ourselves stammering incoherently, &lt;em&gt;but &amp;hellip; but &amp;hellip; but&lt;/em&gt;.  Avoiding physical contact with a woman because it might lead to lust and sexual immorality &amp;mdash; that we understand.  But this?  This is alien to our way of thinking.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We're shocked to see that &lt;em&gt;intent&lt;/em&gt; isn't taken into consideration.  For example, in English law there is no culpability unless the guilty act (&lt;em&gt;actus reus&lt;/em&gt;) is accompanied by the guilty mind (&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea"&gt;&lt;em&gt;mens rea&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;).  That makes sense to us.  But defilement is often involuntary, as with menstruation.  According to Lev.&amp;nbsp;18:19, a woman becomes unclean by virtue of her period even though she has no choice in the matter.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We're also shocked because menstruation is a natural biological function, essential to reproduction &amp;mdash; part of God's design!  Why should a menstruating woman be regarded as unclean and therefore to be spurned?  In this instance, the category is too broad for our liking.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;2. Too narrow:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In other instances, the category is too narrow.  The impurity / defilement system gives short shrift to misdeeds that we regard as serious offences.  According to Ricoeur, theft, lying, and sometimes even homicide are not regarded as sources of defilement.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But you can't say that about the Bible, can you?  The sorts of ethical concerns mentioned by Ricoeur are ubiquitous in scripture, appearing alongside the parallel interest in defilement.  Indeed, the legal texts surprise us by not making a distinction between deeds that we would separate into different categories.  &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Leviticus+19"&gt;Leviticus 19&lt;/a&gt;, for example, says (1) Don't hate your brother; (2) Don't wear a garment made of two different kinds of cloth; (3) When you plant a tree, don't eat its fruit prior to the fifth year; and (4) Don't interpret omens or tell fortunes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;From our perspective, this is a grab-bag of disparate concerns.  But at least some of the items on the list (love for one's kinfolk; abstaining from occult practices) strike us as matters of "real" moral consequence.  No part of the Bible is concerned exclusively with defilement; sin is an ever-present preoccupation of the biblical texts.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And yet &amp;mdash; if you stop to think about this, you realize that Ricoeur's observation is relevant to some very serious theological problems.  How could Abraham have lied (twice!), saying that Sarah wasn't his wife?  Why does polygamy appear to be an accepted practice in many parts of the Old Testament?  How is it possible that a &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?passage=Psalm+137"&gt;Psalm&lt;/a&gt; (used in worship!) should conclude with the benediction, "Blessed shall he be who takes your little [children] / and dashes them against the rock"?!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And how did the Pharisees get things so ass-backwards (from our perspective)?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. (Mt.&amp;nbsp;23:23)&lt;/blockquote&gt;Here Ricoeur's observation begins to shed light on the biblical texts.  The purity / defilement system can absorb major ethical lapses without blinking.  The category, &lt;em&gt;sources of defilement&lt;/em&gt;, seems to us to be too narrow.  Some very significant offences are left off the list.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On the one hand, the "repertory" of defilement is too broad:&amp;nbsp; it includes things that ought not to be there, in our view.  On the other hand, the category is too narrow:&amp;nbsp; some very significant things are left out.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[&lt;em&gt;More to come!  Because of the length of this post, I've decided to divide it into two parts.  Part two is already basically written.  I will probably publish it on Sunday evening.&lt;/em&gt;]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img alt="Creative Commons License" style="border-width:0" src="http://i.creativecommons.org/l/by-nc-nd/3.0/80x15.png" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font size="1"&gt;This work is licensed under a &lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;Creative Commons Licence&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;~~~~~~~~~~~~~&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;Unless otherwise indicated, scripture is quoted from &lt;strong&gt;The Holy Bible&lt;/strong&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/preface/"&gt;English Standard Version&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;Paul Ricoeur, &lt;em&gt;The Symbolism of Evil&lt;/em&gt;, transl. Emerson Buchanan, Beacon Press, 1967, p. 26.  The material following the quote is a summary of pp. 26-29.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-2400757160983131033?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/2400757160983131033/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=2400757160983131033' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/2400757160983131033'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/2400757160983131033'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/10/defilement-alien-concept-that-permeates.html' title='Defilement: an alien concept that permeates the Bible'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-6102762337387533277</id><published>2007-10-15T06:01:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-10-15T06:56:13.046-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='preaching'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='politics'/><title type='text'>On preaching the text, not the subtext</title><content type='html'>Today I have a classic Jon Stewart sketch for you.  Full disclosure:&amp;nbsp; I am a Canadian and, like most of my fellow Canadians, I am counting down the months until President Bush is out of office.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But I'm not posting this video (solely) to make a political point.  It's a clever analysis of speech-making, as relevant to preachers as to politicians.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;embed FlashVars='videoId=111129' src='http://www.comedycentral.com/sitewide/video_player/view/default/swf.jhtml' quality='high' bgcolor='#cccccc' width='332' height='316' name='comedy_central_player' align='middle' allowScriptAccess='always' allownetworking='external' type='application/x-shockwave-flash' pluginspage='http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer'&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;Stewart pillories the President for delivering the &lt;em&gt;subtext&lt;/em&gt; of his speeches instead of the &lt;em&gt;text&lt;/em&gt;.  Don't we preachers sometimes make the same mistake?  If Bush arguably is a meta-President, perhaps sometimes we are meta-preachers!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For example, say you want to convey to a congregation that the word of God is living and active.  Do you tell them that:&amp;nbsp; "I'm here to assure you that the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword"?  Or do you deliver a message that will cause the hearers to &lt;em&gt;experience&lt;/em&gt; the word carrying out its mysterious work, quickening and convicting them?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So we're not laughing &lt;em&gt;at&lt;/em&gt; you, Mr. President.  We're laughing ruefully &lt;em&gt;with&lt;/em&gt; you.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;[snigger snigger snigger]&lt;/em&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-6102762337387533277?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/6102762337387533277/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=6102762337387533277' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/6102762337387533277'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/6102762337387533277'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/10/text-and-subtext.html' title='On preaching the text, not the subtext'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-7279865463215359039</id><published>2007-10-12T06:50:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-10-12T09:40:11.663-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bible'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='christology'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Paul Ricoeur'/><title type='text'>A recitation of Hebrews 9-10</title><content type='html'>Hat tip to &lt;a href="http://penshield.wordpress.com/2007/10/10/living-scripture/"&gt;Knotwurth Mentioning&lt;/a&gt; &amp;mdash; my university-aged son! &amp;mdash; for calling attention to the video embedded below.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's very cool that my son is old enough to be a partner in dialogue!  Knotwurth was responding to my post on philosopher Paul Ricoeur, &lt;a href="http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/09/spoken-word-sacred-text.html"&gt;Spoken Word, Sacred Text&lt;/a&gt;.  He quite rightly saw that this video illustrates Ricoeur's point:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;It is the function of preaching to reverse the relation from written to spoken. In that sense preaching is more fundamental to Hebrew and Christian tradition because of the nature of the text that has to be reconverted to word, in contrast with Scripture.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;embed style="width:400px; height:326px;" id="VideoPlayback" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" src="http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-8919399424910324675&amp;hl=en" flashvars=""&gt; &lt;/embed&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;At one point, people are moved to applause &amp;mdash; but tentatively, as if they're not sure it's an appropriate reaction.  Later, they just let 'er rip.  It isn't often that a congregation is transported by scripture like this!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-7279865463215359039?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/7279865463215359039/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=7279865463215359039' title='12 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/7279865463215359039'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/7279865463215359039'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/10/recitation-of-hebrews-9-10.html' title='A recitation of Hebrews 9-10'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>12</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-2184327405112972193</id><published>2007-10-09T19:03:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2008-12-11T08:21:17.460-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gospels'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='prophets'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Jesus'/><title type='text'>Now and not yet: Jesus' error, part 2</title><content type='html'>Thanks to all of you for your insightful comments on the previous post.  You have grappled gamely with the problem I raised:  &lt;em&gt;Did Jesus make an error when he (evidently) predicted that the &lt;em&gt;eschaton&lt;/em&gt; would come within a generation of his ministry&lt;/em&gt;?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You &lt;a href="https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=3087966965875993016"&gt;offered&lt;/a&gt; the following solutions:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;The Son of Man coming in his kingdom (Mark 9:1 // Mt. 16:28 // Luke 9:27) may have referred to the transfiguration.  (suggested by James)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;In context, Mark 13:29-30 (// Mt. 24:34 // Luke 21:32) may have referred to the destruction of Jerusalem. (again, James)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;Perhaps Jesus meant only that his prophecies about the end times will all be fulfilled within the scope of a lifetime.  (suggested by Cliff)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;The prophecy may have been conditional. (Jamie)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;Finally, John observed that we must also keep in mind Mark 13:32 ("But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father") and Acts 1:7 ("It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority").&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;Jamie's suggestion is intriguing.  Would the kingdom have come then and there, if the Jews had accepted the Gospel and embraced Jesus as their Messiah?  If so, would the Romans have crucified Jesus anyway, or would the crucifixion never have happened?  The latter possibility is almost unthinkable from a Christian perspective.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We'll come back to John's comment below.  I think it's an important counterweight to the appearance of watertight certainty that the other sayings possess.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for your other suggestions, I think they all have merit.  Meanwhile, the fact that there are so many attempts at a solution is evidence that interpreters have struggled to understand Jesus' sayings over the years.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In this post, I want to offer three theological concepts which, taken together, at least reduce the magnitude of the problem.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold"&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;1. Now and not yet:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In my view, Jesus' prediction was fulfilled in part.  The New Testament authors generally agree that &lt;strong&gt;the kingdom of God was inaugurated with (a) Jesus' resurrection followed by (b) the pouring out of the Holy Spirit&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Both are &lt;em&gt;eschatological&lt;/em&gt; events &amp;mdash; both were supposed to happen at the end of history, not part way through history.  That's why St. Paul refers to the resurrection (&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=1+Corinthians+15%3A20"&gt;1Co.&amp;nbsp;15:20&lt;/a&gt;) and the indwelling Spirit (&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Romans+8%3A23"&gt;Ro.&amp;nbsp;8:23&lt;/a&gt;) as "firstfruits".  Again, Paul speaks of the Holy Spirit as a &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?words=down+payment&amp;phrase=&amp;not-words=&amp;scope=Pauls+Epistles&amp;matches=&amp;search-text=all"&gt;down payment&lt;/a&gt;.  We have received a partial fulfillment now, guaranteeing that a perfect fulfillment will follow in due course.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The &lt;em&gt;eschaton&lt;/em&gt; has been inaugurated (it is "now") but not consummated (it is "not yet").  This is the first theological concept we must bear in mind.  Scholars use this terminology, &lt;em&gt;now and not yet&lt;/em&gt;, to capture the paradoxical nature of the church age.  John's Gospel provides a classic example of this now/not yet tension at 5:25 &amp;mdash;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;Blockquote&gt;Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.&lt;/blockquote&gt;The concept implies that Jesus' prediction was fulfilled, if only in part.  It also explains why the first generation of Christians lived in such fervid expectation of Christ's return.  First there were Jesus' predictions; then those predictions were followed by unmistakably eschatological events.  Surely Jesus' return could not lag far behind!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold"&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;2. Jesus' self-emptying:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But Jesus did not return immediately, and so the question persists.  Did Jesus err, at least in part?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In my view, there's no getting around it:&amp;nbsp; what happened wasn't exactly what Jesus expected and confidently predicted.  Here we must return to the sayings John called to our attention &amp;mdash; particularly Mark 13:32.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.&lt;/blockquote&gt;This saying is another problem passage.  At least, it's problematic for folks who assume that Jesus possessed all of the divine attributes, including omniscience, even during the period of his incarnation.  And yet St. Paul says that Jesus "emptied" himself (&lt;a href="http://bible.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?new=1&amp;word=Php+2%3A6-8&amp;section=0&amp;version=nrs&amp;language=en"&gt;Php. 2:7&lt;/a&gt;, NRSV) during the period of his ministry.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This self-emptying (Gk. &lt;em&gt;kenosis&lt;/em&gt;) is the second theological concept we must bear in mind.  Logically, Jesus would have to divest himself of &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenosis"&gt;at least some&lt;/a&gt; of the divine traits in order to be considered fully human.  To be human is, by definition, to be subject to limitations which cannot apply to God.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And so it is with Mark 13:32, where Jesus admits that his knowledge of "that day or that hour" is finite.  It seems that Jesus, like Paul, could prophesy only "&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=1Co+13%3A9-10"&gt;in part&lt;/a&gt;".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.covenantseminary.edu/worldwide/en/ST240/ST240_T_32.pdf"&gt;Robert Peterson&lt;/a&gt; introduces a helpful distinction.&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;  I have added numbering and italics to his presentation for greater clarity:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;To understand the timing of the second coming, we have to deal with all the information God gives us, and that information falls into three categories, three types of passages.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ol&gt;&lt;li&gt;There are &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;imminence&lt;/span&gt; passages, which cause people to look for Jesus to come.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;There are &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;interval&lt;/span&gt; passages, which indicate certain things have to happen before He comes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;And most importantly, there are &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;ignorance&lt;/span&gt; passages, which tell us that we do not know, that nobody knows, the day or the hour.&lt;/ol&gt;&amp;hellip; It seems to me that if we hold these three things together, we will be much better off.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold"&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;3. Prophetic foreshortening:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally, let me observe that the prophecy in Mark 13 is an outstanding example of "prophetic foreshortening".  This is the third theological concept that we must bear in mind.  It is a commonplace of prophecy that events which are separated by centuries of history are "foreshortened", or telescoped together in the prophet's message.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One classic illustration involves someone looking at a mountain range from a distance.  (Please excuse my lack of artistic talent!)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" &gt;&lt;img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/Rwo9zbuuSsI/AAAAAAAAAGU/jGLjn-gfMUY/s400/prophetic+foreshortening.gif" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5118971880286341826" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The general significance of the illustration is as follows.  From a distance, the mountain peaks appear to be close together.  It is only as you arrive at the first peak that you realize the second peak is actually quite distant.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Turning to the specific problem of Mark 13 and parallels &amp;mdash;&lt;br /&gt;Point 1 marks the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE.  Point 2 marks 2,000 years (and counting) of Church history.  That timespan was evidently hidden from Jesus; at any rate, it doesn't feature in the sayings we have been considering.  Point 3 marks the &lt;em&gt;parousia&lt;/em&gt; (Second Coming).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In his predictions, Jesus jumbled these events together as if they were all part of the same constellation.  And indeed, some of the events may ultimately be fulfilled twice:&amp;nbsp; for example, an intense persecution of the Church and the coming of false Messiahs.  Those predictions may have been fulfilled at point 1 in my diagram. (Josephus spoke of false prophets, who may in fact have been messianic pretenders.)  It doesn't mean that there won't be a second fulfillment when history arrives at point 3.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For another example of prophetic foreshortening, consider Joel&amp;nbsp;2 (=&amp;nbsp;Acts&amp;nbsp;2):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;For these people are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day.  But this is what was uttered through the prophet Joel:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"'And in the last days it shall be,' God declares,&lt;br /&gt;'that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh,&lt;br /&gt;and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,&lt;br /&gt;and your young men shall see visions,&lt;br /&gt;and your old men shall dream dreams;&lt;br /&gt;even on my male servants and female servants&lt;br /&gt;in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy.&lt;br /&gt;And I will show wonders in the heavens above&lt;br /&gt;and signs on the earth below,&lt;br /&gt;blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke;&lt;br /&gt;the sun shall be turned to darkness&lt;br /&gt;and the moon to blood,&lt;br /&gt;before the day of the Lord comes, the great and magnificent day.&lt;br /&gt;And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.'"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Acts 2:15-21)&lt;/blockquote&gt;Here we see the pouring out of the Holy Spirit packaged with the arrival of the &lt;em&gt;eschaton&lt;/em&gt;.  And indeed, this foreshortening phenomenon is a commonplace of biblical prophecy (particularly with respect to eschatological events).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold"&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;Conclusions:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;Ol&gt;&lt;li&gt;The several suggestions offered in response to my previous post testify that there is no completely satisfactory solution to the problem I outlined.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;Li&gt;Several of the suggestions also testify to a partial fulfillment of Jesus' prophesies.  In particular, I would emphasize Jesus' resurrection and the pouring out of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost.  According to Acts&amp;nbsp;2, the pouring out of the Holy Spirit on Jesus' disciples is evidence that he had been exalted to the right hand of God, and &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Acts+2%3A32-36"&gt;installed as king&lt;/a&gt; (=&amp;nbsp;Christ).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And yet there is a remainder &amp;mdash; various elements of Jesus' expectation which have not yet been fufilled.  This unexpected development, a partial fulfillment of prophecy, is articulated in the theological expression, &lt;em&gt;now and not yet&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;Li&gt;In my view, the events were not quite as Jesus had anticipated and predicted.  But perhaps this is only what we might have expected.  St. Paul speaks of Jesus' self-emptying (&lt;em&gt;kenosis&lt;/em&gt;), and Jesus confessed that his knowledge of eschatological events was limited.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;Li&gt;We should compare Jesus' partially fulfilled prophecies with the general pattern of prediction and fulfillment in the Bible.  At that point, we may be surprised to realize that prophetic foreshortening is a commonplace of biblical prophecy (i.e., a clustering together of events that turn out to be separated by centuries of history).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;Li&gt;Finally, I wish to reiterate the point that I made in the conclusion of my previous post.  That these (and other) "hard" sayings of Jesus were preserved in the Gospels testifies to the Evangelists' unwillingness to destroy authentic tradition.  This conservative impulse reassures us that the Gospels are a trustworthy source of information about the historical Jesus.&lt;/ol&gt;&lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img alt="Creative Commons License" style="border-width:0" src="http://i.creativecommons.org/l/by-nc-nd/3.0/80x15.png" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font size="1"&gt;This work is licensed under a &lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;Creative Commons Licence&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;~~~~~~~~~~~~~&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;Unless otherwise indicated, scripture is quoted from &lt;strong&gt;The Holy Bible&lt;/strong&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/preface/"&gt;English Standard Version&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;I believe Peterson is crediting David Jones for the three-part categorization of scripture mentioned above.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-2184327405112972193?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/2184327405112972193/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=2184327405112972193' title='7 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/2184327405112972193'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/2184327405112972193'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/10/prophetic-foreshortening-jesus-error.html' title='Now and not yet: Jesus&apos; error, part 2'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/Rwo9zbuuSsI/AAAAAAAAAGU/jGLjn-gfMUY/s72-c/prophetic+foreshortening.gif' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>7</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-3087966965875993016</id><published>2007-10-06T08:10:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-10-06T13:00:45.122-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gospels'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Jesus'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='historical criticism'/><title type='text'>Jesus' error</title><content type='html'>Last Sunday, I mentioned that Jesus was &lt;a href="http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/09/postmodern-take-on-historiography.html"&gt;apparently mistaken&lt;/a&gt; in one of his prophecies.  The prophecy is this:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done.  Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.  (Mt. 16:27-28)&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;There's a similar saying in Mark's "little Apocalypse":&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;So also, when you see these things taking place, you know that [the Son of Man] is near, at the very gates. Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. (Mark 13:29-30 // Mt.&amp;nbsp;24:34 // Luke&amp;nbsp;21:32)&lt;/blockquote&gt;The meaning of these two sayings seems perfectly straightforward:&amp;nbsp; the &lt;em&gt;eschaton&lt;/em&gt; will arrive within the lifetime of that generation.  Is it possible that Jesus erred? &amp;mdash; that he made a prediction that was not fulfilled?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It might help if we could reconstruct how the first generation of Christians understood Jesus' prediction.  I suggest that we can get a reasonably clear insight into their expectations by considering the following three texts.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold"&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;&amp;bull; 1Th. 4:13-18&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope.  For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep.  For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.  For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.  Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.  Therefore encourage one another with these words.&lt;/blockquote&gt;To properly understand this text, we have to read between the lines a little.  It seems that the Thessalonian Christians were worried:&amp;nbsp; some members of the community had died, and the surviving Thessalonians didn't know whether the departed believers could still be saved.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;From our perspective, 100 generations later, the Thessalonians' concern is touchingly naïve: even bizarre.  Was it really necessary for Paul to explain that departed believers are not lost? &amp;mdash; that they will be raised to be with the Lord when he returns?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Such a concern would only arise in a church where Christ's return was expected almost immediately.  "This generation" was not supposed to die; the Lord was supposed to return without delay.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And so Paul patiently reassures them:&amp;nbsp; not only will the departed believers be raised, their salvation will precede ours.  ("The dead in Christ will rise first.  Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them.")&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I might note, in passing, that most scholars regard 1&amp;nbsp;Thessalonians as the earliest of Paul's epistles.  (It's possible that Galatians is even earlier.)   This passage is evidence of the letter's early date:&amp;nbsp; it seems to have been written during that brief window of time when Christ was expected to return almost immediately.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold"&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;&amp;bull; 1Co. 7:25-31&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Now concerning the betrothed, I have no command from the Lord, but I give my judgment as one who by the Lord's mercy is trustworthy.  I think that in view of the present distress it is good for a person to remain as he is.  Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be free. Are you free from a wife? Do not seek a wife.  But if you do marry, you have not sinned, and if a betrothed woman marries, she has not sinned. Yet those who marry will have worldly troubles, and I would spare you that.  This is what I mean, brothers: the appointed time has grown very short. From now on, let those who have wives live as though they had none, and those who mourn as though they were not mourning, and those who rejoice as though they were not rejoicing, and those who buy as though they had no goods, and those who deal with the world as though they had no dealings with it. For the present form of this world is passing away.&lt;/blockquote&gt;This is another problem text.  (The Bible is simply full of them, in my view &amp;mdash; but maybe I'm unjustifiably cynical.)  The problem here is Paul's shockingly negative view of marriage.  For example, "if you do marry, you have not sinned, and if a betrothed woman marries, she has not sinned."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Talk about damning marriage with faint praise!  Whatever happened to family values?!  This chapter of 1&amp;nbsp;Corinthians is one of the reasons that Paul has acquired a reputation as a misogynist.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The problematic nature of the text is diminished (though it doesn't completely disappear) if we emphasize verse 29 &amp;mdash; "This is what I mean, brothers: the appointed time has grown very short. From now on, let those who have wives live as though they had none."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Paul isn't concerned about propagating Christianity by making lots of babies (which seems to be the Roman Catholic model).  He seems to advocate celibacy, or at least a radical shift in conventional priorities so that sex virtually vanishes from view:  "From now on, let those who have wives live as though they had none."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How can Paul talk this way?  It's simple:&amp;nbsp; he does not envision 100 generations of Church history ahead.  On the contrary, "the appointed time has grown very short".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Once again, we have an indication that Christ's return was expected almost immediately.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold"&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;&amp;bull; John 21:20-23&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Peter turned and saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following them. &amp;hellip; He said to Jesus, "Lord, what about this man?"  Jesus said to him, "If it is my will that he remain until I come, what is that to you? You follow me!"  So the saying spread abroad among the brothers that this disciple was not to die; yet Jesus did not say to him that he was not to die, but, "If it is my will that he remain until I come, what is that to you?"&lt;/blockquote&gt;Here we must exercise our imaginations a little.  The years pass; one by one, the apostles die off (mostly through martyrdom).  Eventually, only one apostle survives:&amp;nbsp; John, "the disciple whom Jesus loved".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And still the years continue to pass.  John is now an exceptionally old man.  Death inexorably closes in on him.  Gradually the conviction takes shape in his mind:&amp;nbsp;  the Lord is not going to return in "this generation" per everyone's expectation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But John's church hasn't come to that conclusion.  Decades after Jesus made his prediction, the saying has been spun a certain way within the Johannine community:&amp;nbsp;  &lt;em&gt;Jesus promised to return before John's death&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The days of John's life are so many grains of sand in an eggtimer.  Before the last grain of sand falls, Christ will return:&amp;nbsp; he promised!  If it doesn't happen that way, John's death could precipitate a crisis of faith.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And so this postscript is added to John's Gospel.  (Scholars believe John originally ended at &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=John+20%3A30-31"&gt;20:30-31&lt;/a&gt;, and chapter 21 was a late addendum.)  The misleading rumour must be addressed.  "Jesus did not say to [Peter] that [John] was not to die, but, 'If it is my will that he remain until I come, what is that to you?'"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here (sixty years later?) we have travelled a long distance from Jesus' original prediction.  But the issue is the same:&amp;nbsp; "there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold"&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;Conclusion:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Did Jesus expect the kingdom of God to arrive within a generation?  The evidence suggests that he did.  First we have the &lt;em&gt;prima facie&lt;/em&gt; meaning of the two sayings quoted in the introduction to this post.  Second, we have the clear expectation of the first generation of Christians.  Everyone "knew" that Jesus would return almost immediately &amp;mdash; certainly before the last surviving apostle died.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm going to leave the reader hanging at this point.  I want to pose this question as a theological / exegetical problem.  Theologically, can we accept that Jesus made an error?  If not, how do you exegete the sayings to make them appear true?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I will follow up with part two later this week.  I plan to broaden the question to encompass Old Testament prophecies as well.  Jesus' saying is not the only instance of a prophecy that seemingly fell to the ground, unfulfilled.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But for now, let me offer one positive conclusion that we can derive from the above data.  &lt;Strong&gt;The Gospels were relatively conservative in their handling of Jesus' sayings&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yes, some sayings are of doubtful historicity.  Yes, each of the Evangelists had his own theological perspective, and they were not above "spinning" Jesus' sayings to make them fit a preferred theological paradigm.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But a careful reading of the Gospels demonstrates a second tendency, moving in the contrary direction:&amp;nbsp; a conservative tendency.  Some very difficult sayings were preserved for posterity when the tradition was committed to writing.  This tells us:&amp;nbsp; (a) that the tradition became relatively fixed at an early date &amp;mdash; presumably while "this generation" was still alive; and (b) that later copyists were unwilling to destroy authentic tradition, even when it gave rise to significant problems.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This survey of the data leads me to a Janus-faced conclusion; one that is fundamental to my understanding of scripture.  On the one hand, we shouldn't be so naïve as to deny that real problems are present in the text.  On the other hand, we can trust that the tradition preserves authentic information about the historical Jesus.  The tradition thus provides an adequate foundation for Christian faith.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img alt="Creative Commons License" style="border-width:0" src="http://i.creativecommons.org/l/by-nc-nd/3.0/80x15.png" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font size="1"&gt;This work is licensed under a &lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;Creative Commons Licence&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;~~~~~~~~~~~~~&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;Unless otherwise indicated, scripture is quoted from &lt;strong&gt;The Holy Bible&lt;/strong&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/preface/"&gt;English Standard Version&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-3087966965875993016?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/3087966965875993016/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=3087966965875993016' title='13 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/3087966965875993016'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/3087966965875993016'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/10/jesus-error.html' title='Jesus&apos; error'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>13</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-8808327044929314323</id><published>2007-10-03T19:47:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-10-03T21:25:20.254-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='church and state'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Paul'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Paul Ricoeur'/><title type='text'>The state as a necessary evil</title><content type='html'>[&lt;em&gt;A follow-up to &lt;a href="http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/09/church-and-state-four-theses.html"&gt;Church and state: four theses&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm currently working through an anthology of essays by philosopher Paul Ricoeur, &lt;em&gt;Figuring the Sacred: Religion, Narrative, and Imagination&lt;/em&gt;.  I've just finished "A Philosophical Hermeneutics of Religion: Kant", in which Ricoeur summarizes Immanuel Kant's &lt;em&gt;Religion within the Limits of Reason Alone&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Tough slogging?  Yes, easily the most difficult of the four Ricoeur essays I've studied so far.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In this post, I'd like to call attention to Kant's view of Church and state, as summarized by Ricoeur.  The Church's &lt;em&gt;raison d'être&lt;/em&gt; is to effect what the state cannot:&amp;nbsp; the liberation of human beings' bound will.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;No political institution can satisfy the requirements of a community devoted to the regeneration of the will. &amp;hellip;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Historical action can engender only a relative state of public peace, motivated by the antagonism Kant calls our "unsociable sociability."  The civil peace we call a state of law is not virtue, but rather an armistice in the war among interests. &amp;hellip;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Kant even goes so far as to say in his essay "Perpetual Peace" that "the problem of organizing a state, however hard it may seem, can be solved even for a race of devils."  Establishing peace "does not require that we know how to attain the moral improvement of men but only that we should know the mechanism of nature in order to use it on men &amp;hellip; in such a way that they must compel themselves to submit to coercive laws."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For this reason, no political philosophy, and more generally no philosophy of culture, can satisfy the requirement of a community that aims at the regeneration of the will through specific public means.&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;I agree with Kant's view of the state.  I would sum it up in the following propositions:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ol&gt;&lt;li&gt;The state cannot accomplish what the Church sets out to achieve:&amp;nbsp; namely, the regeneration of humankind's corrupt will (= the liberation of &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Romans+7%3A14-24"&gt;humankind's bound will&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;The state has a lesser, but still significant (and, I would add, &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Romans+13%3A1-5"&gt;God-ordained&lt;/a&gt;) role:&amp;nbsp; to establish social order despite the evil that is always present everywhere among human beings.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;The state employs unethical, coercive means to achieve its end.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;Kant's cynical perspective on human beings is captured in the pithy phrase, "unsocial sociability".  We stubbornly persist in forming communities, despite our constant prickliness toward one another.  Moreover, within any given community, there are sub-communities:&amp;nbsp; tribes or cliques bound together by shared interests, inevitably opposed to other sub-communities with competing interests.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The best we are capable of, Kant observes, is an armistice of interests.  When we arrive at that modest achievement, we call it "the rule of law".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Kant sums up the state's limited role in his remark about a race of devils.  The state does not have the capacity to effect an improvement in humankind's morals.  The human will remains corrupt but still the state manages to establish (relative) peace.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The state does so by using the "mechanism of nature" on human beings in such a way that they are compelled to submit to coercive laws.  It isn't clear, from Ricoeur's essay, what precisely Kant means by the phrase "mechanism of nature".  But I think the gist of the statement is clear:&amp;nbsp; the state assumes wickedness on the part of human beings, and establishes institutions (laws, police forces, courts, jails) to contain wicked conduct within tolerable bounds.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thus the state is not a benign institution:&amp;nbsp; it employs coercive tactics.  Nor, on the other hand, is the state absolutely evil:&amp;nbsp; it responds to a real need (the need to contain human wickedness) and accomplishes a significant good (social order).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The state is a human institution, corrupted by the evil that is always present everywhere among human beings.  (So is the Church, as I &lt;a href="http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/09/church-and-state-four-theses.html"&gt;argued&lt;/a&gt; in my earlier post.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The state may be relatively good or relatively evil; in exceptional cases, it may be extremely good or (more likely) extremely evil; but it is never &lt;em&gt;absolutely&lt;/em&gt; good or &lt;em&gt;absolutely&lt;/em&gt; evil.  Hence Paul could instruct us to submit to the state "not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience" (Ro. 13:5).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[&lt;em&gt;For the crucial importance of the Church as a check on state totalitarianism, see my post on &lt;a href="http://itsmypulp.wordpress.com/2007/09/27/religious-institutions-as-a-counterweight-to-the-state/"&gt;Outside the Box&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/em&gt;]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img alt="Creative Commons License" style="border-width:0" src="http://i.creativecommons.org/l/by-nc-nd/3.0/80x15.png" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font size="1"&gt;This work is licensed under a &lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;Creative Commons Licence&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;~~~~~~~~~~~~~&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;em&gt;Figuring the Sacred: Religion, Narrative, and Imagination&lt;/em&gt;, Fortress Press, 1995, p. 89.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-8808327044929314323?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/8808327044929314323/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=8808327044929314323' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/8808327044929314323'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/8808327044929314323'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/10/state-as-necessary-evil.html' title='The state as a necessary evil'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-5278545871528012150</id><published>2007-10-02T07:30:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-10-02T06:45:09.023-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Judeocentrism</title><content type='html'>&lt;blockquote&gt;Let me begin by describing bin Laden's view of history less inflammatorily &amp;mdash; not as anti-Semitic, but as Judeocentric.  He believes that Jews exercise disproportionate control over world affairs, and that world affairs may therefore be explained by reference to the Jews.  A Judeocentric view of history is one that regards the Jews as the center of the story, and therefore the key to it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Judeocentrism is a single-cause theory of history, and as such it is, almost by definition, a conspiracy theory. Moreover, Judeocentrism comes in positive forms and negative forms. The positive form of Judeocentrism is philo-Semitism, the negative form is anti-Semitism. &amp;hellip; In both its positive and negative forms, Judeo-centrism is always a mistake. Human events are not so neatly explained.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Jeffrey Goldberg, writing in "The New Republic".  Via &lt;a href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/10/an-atlantic-blo.html"&gt;Andrew Sullivan&lt;/a&gt; (in order to get past the requirement of a subscription).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Lest I leave the wrong impression by quoting Goldberg out of context, he does regard Osama bin Laden as an anti-semite.  The article isn't ultimately about bin Laden.  It is a scathing review of &lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy&lt;/span&gt;, by John J. Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago and Stephen M. Walt of Harvard University.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-5278545871528012150?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/5278545871528012150/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=5278545871528012150' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/5278545871528012150'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/5278545871528012150'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/10/judeocentrism.html' title='Judeocentrism'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-2561346134992869405</id><published>2007-09-30T08:23:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-09-30T11:59:42.169-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='postmodernism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='historical criticism'/><title type='text'>A postmodern take on historiography</title><content type='html'>I am very interested in the historical criticism of scripture.  It is certainly relevant to the New Testament (the vexed question of the "historical" Jesus), and every bit as relevant with respect to the Hebrew scriptures.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For example, believers typically take David as a model for the Messiah.  But then an archaeologist comes along to assert the following &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/books/01/02/04/reviews/010204.04triblet.html"&gt;conclusions&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;David and Solomon existed in the 10th century B.C. but as "little more than hill country chieftains." There was no golden age of a united kingdom, a magnificent capital and an extended empire.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Currently, Finkelstein's and Silberman's claim remains hotly contested.  But what happens if the scholarly consensus moves in that direction?  How does it affect exegesis?  How does it affect faith?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold"&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;Postmodern scepticism about historiography:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am sympathetic to a postmodern view of historiography.  The scholar's conclusions follow largely from his or her presuppositions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don't think it is entirely so.  For example, I think we can conclude, on objective grounds, that the synoptic Gospels accurately capture the very "voice" of Jesus (his &lt;a href="http://www.theopedia.com/Ipsissima_vox"&gt;&lt;em&gt;ipsissima vox&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;), if not always his very words (&lt;em&gt;ipsissima verba&lt;/em&gt;).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But over and over again, scholars' supposedly objective conclusions follow directly from their personal predilections.  For example, did Jesus predict the arrival of the kingdom of God during his lifetime?  Just about everyone resists that conclusion, although there are good &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Matthew+16%3A28"&gt;biblical grounds&lt;/a&gt; for it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Conservatives resist that conclusion because they can't admit that Jesus made a prediction that didn't come true.  Liberals resist that conclusion because the image of Jesus as a wild-eyed, end-times prophet doesn't fit their preferred schema:&amp;nbsp; Jesus as a teacher of universal ethical truths.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Conservatives and liberals alike sift the data according to what is palatable to them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Postmodernists conclude that there is no such thing as objective history.  I agree that historiography is highly problematic.  Some basic conclusions are objective, in my view; but you can't progress very far before scholars begin picking and choosing from the data in accordance with their personal preferences.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold"&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;Ken Burns's perspective:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That was my long-winded introduction to a quote from the documentary film-maker, Ken Burns.  He sat down with Jon Stewart to discuss his documentary, "The War", a fresh examination of World War II.  The video is embedded below (at least, it will be until Comedy Central deletes it from their site).  But here is my transcript of the excerpts that caught my interest:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The second world war has been so draped in bloodless, gallant myth.  You know, it's the John Wayne war.  And when you see colour [film footage], it's no longer at arm's length.  It's right there, and it's the &lt;em&gt;worst&lt;/em&gt; war ever, not the good war, cause it killed sixty million people. &amp;hellip;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A handful of soldiers [are now] able to say, "This is what really happened.  I saw bad things; I did bad things; I lost good friends.  I was scared, I was bored, I was hot, I was cold."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All the things that are universal to war.  A guy in Iraq today &amp;mdash; experiencing the same thing.  And two thousand years ago, in the Peloponnesian War &amp;mdash; the same thing. &amp;hellip;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We don't have a political bone in our bodies in this film. &amp;hellip; But at the same time, history is the set of questions we in the present ask of the past.  And so it's very much informed about our anxieties. &amp;hellip;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We know that it takes some time from an event before you can really understand it:&amp;nbsp; that you can triangulate with the passage of time.  So you're constantly aware as you're dealing with new stuff that [our perspective] is going to change.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You know, if you did something on Vietnam ten years after the fall of Saigon &amp;mdash; when we're in a recession, when Japan's ascendant &amp;mdash; it'd be a different film than twenty years out, when we just won the first Gulf war, that our economy was booming, Japan was stagnant.  I mean, every time you change a degree from that moment, every part of your perspective changes. &amp;hellip;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think all of us are in a continuum.  You know, somebody says, "Is this the definitive work?"  Absolutely not!  You know, our Civil War film, seventeen years ago, spawned hundreds of documentaries.  It's just, you do what you can do in that time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;embed FlashVars='videoId=103507' src='http://www.comedycentral.com/sitewide/video_player/view/default/swf.jhtml' quality='high' bgcolor='#cccccc' width='332' height='316' name='comedy_central_player' align='middle' allowScriptAccess='always' allownetworking='external' type='application/x-shockwave-flash' pluginspage='http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer'&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Allow me to object to one of Burns's statements:  "We don't have a political bone in our bodies in this film."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In that statement, Burns momentarily falls back into the positivist trap.  He speaks as if the historian floats in a heremetically sealed compartment, and is not influenced by the surrounding environment.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold"&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;Conclusion:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Presumably Burns meant only that he isn't trying to support either the Democrats or the Republicans in this documentary.  It's clear from everything else he said in this segment that he understands the hard truth of historiography:&amp;nbsp; that all historians are biased.  We are all captives to the era which shapes us, all editing the data to respond to our interests and defend our prior convictions.  As Burns put it,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;Blockquote&gt;Every time you change a degree from that moment, every part of your perspective changes. … You [just] do what you can do in that time.&lt;/blockquote&gt;That's why historical conclusions, like those of Finkelstein and Silberman, must always be taken with a grain of salt.  One must always ask, &lt;em&gt;Where does this historian "come from"&lt;/em&gt;?  &lt;em&gt;What axe is s/he grinding &amp;mdash; what polemical position is s/he setting out to prove&lt;/em&gt;?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I hasten to add, it's true of everything I write as well.  In one post, I'm trying to &lt;a href="http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/07/inclusive-faith-versus-exclusive-faith.html"&gt;make a case&lt;/a&gt; for same sex marriage.  In another post, I'm &lt;a href="http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/09/adam-soteriology.html"&gt;resisting&lt;/a&gt; the biblical teaching on penal substitution.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If the posts are tendentious, does that make me a liberal?  No, because this idea has nothing to do with the great liberal/conservative divide.  Conservatives are playing the same game, they're just grinding a different set of axes.  Hence the postmodern scepticism about all historiography.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img alt="Creative Commons License" style="border-width:0" src="http://i.creativecommons.org/l/by-nc-nd/3.0/80x15.png" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font size="1"&gt;This work is licensed under a &lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;Creative Commons Licence&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-2561346134992869405?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/2561346134992869405/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=2561346134992869405' title='18 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/2561346134992869405'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/2561346134992869405'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/09/postmodern-take-on-historiography.html' title='A postmodern take on historiography'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>18</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-954672620793272182</id><published>2007-09-25T05:27:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-09-25T05:53:11.662-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='archaeology'/><title type='text'>Project completed after 80 years' labour</title><content type='html'>Here's an illustration of the &lt;a href="http://imaginarygrace.blogspot.com/2007/07/heroine-of-day.html"&gt;painstaking labour&lt;/a&gt; that is invested in researching ancient history:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The last volume of the CAD (Chicago Assyrian Dictionary) has gone to press. Wow! This project, a comprehensive lexical study of the the Akkadian language, has been going on now for more than 80 years, making anyone's seemingly endless research project look like a drop in the bucket.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I also got a chuckle out of the blogger's postscript:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Apparently the Hittite Dictionary project is moving in [to the vacated office] soon. (That made me laugh. I'm not exactly sure why.)&lt;/blockquote&gt;It's like washing the blasted dishes.  No sooner do you dry the last dish, one of the kids is dropping another dirty dish into the sink.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-954672620793272182?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/954672620793272182/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=954672620793272182' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/954672620793272182'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/954672620793272182'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/09/project-completed-after-80-years-labour.html' title='Project completed after 80 years&apos; labour'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-306096926509927149</id><published>2007-09-23T09:14:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-09-23T14:36:06.258-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Paul'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='soteriology'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gospels'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Jesus'/><title type='text'>Adam soteriology: a refinement</title><content type='html'>In a &lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=1658359491113839478"&gt;comment on the previous post&lt;/a&gt;, Jamie asked why Christ's death is important to Adam soteriology, the atonement theory I had proposed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My immediate answer was (in part):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;Blockquote&gt;My response would be to bring Christ's death into relation with his act of obedience. Jesus had to obey to the furthest depths of his being. Where Adam sought to exalt himself, Christ had to abase himself to the ultimate extent. A willingness not merely to die, but to suffer torture and public humiliation — and even a season of alienation from God — to obey such a destiny is surely the ultimate act of obedience.&lt;/blockquote&gt;That was my immediate answer, but I confess to some ongoing ambivalence about it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The challenge with any atonement theory, it seems to me, is to hold two principles in uneasy tension.  On the one hand, we must accord real, salvific significance to Christ's death (this is what Jamie challenged me to do), and not reduce it to a mere accident of history.  On the other hand, we don't want to depict God as some sort of vengeful monster who demands nothing less than brutal violence, bloodshed, and death as a satisfaction for sin.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In order to exonerate God of this charge of savage cruelty (sadism), we might blame the brutality of Christ's death on the human actors who executed him:&amp;nbsp; the Roman procurator, the Jewish high priest, or whomever we deem culpable.  The problem is, this seems to reduce Jesus' death to a historical accident.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jesus did not regard martyrdom that way.  He regarded it as his destiny, his calling:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;Blockquote&gt;At that very hour some Pharisees came and said to him, "Get away from here, for Herod wants to kill you."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And he said to them, "Go and tell that fox, 'Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I finish my course.  Nevertheless, I must go on my way today and tomorrow and the day following, for it cannot be that a prophet should perish away from Jerusalem.'" (Luke 13:31-33)&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Some scholars are sceptical about the three predictions of crucifixion attributed to Jesus (Mark &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Mark+8%3A31"&gt;8:31&lt;/a&gt;; &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Mark+9%3A31"&gt;9:31&lt;/a&gt;; &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Mark+10%3A33-34"&gt;10:33-34&lt;/a&gt;).  The more detailed the predictions become &amp;mdash; note the specifics of the third prediction &amp;mdash; the more likely it is that they were composed after the event.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Other scholars argue that Jesus easily could have foreseen a death of the sort described in Luke&amp;nbsp;13.  The powers-that-be were hostile to Jesus' ministry, and prophets had been martyred in the past in a vain attempt to silence them.  Thus it is not difficult to imagine that Jesus predicted his martyrdom in general terms, which were perhaps fleshed out in greater detail &lt;em&gt;post eventu&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jesus was fully aware that death awaited him in Jerusalem, but he made no attempt to evade it.  He saw martyrdom as a divinely appointed destiny:&amp;nbsp; a divine "must" (Gk. &lt;Em&gt;dei&lt;/em&gt;)&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; compelled him onward toward it:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;Blockquote&gt;And he [prayed], "Abba, Father, all things are possible for you. Remove this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will."  (Mark 14:36)&lt;/blockquote&gt;Based on the above text, we could summarize the course of events as follows:&amp;nbsp; (1) God willed Jesus' death; (2) therefore Jesus voluntarily submitted to betrayal and execution.  I propose, instead, a slightly more complex chain of cause-and-effect:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;Ol&gt;&lt;li&gt;God willed Jesus' obedience (in contradistinction to Adam's disobedience);&lt;br /&gt;&lt;Li&gt;Precisely because of his uncompromising obedience to God's will, Jesus made powerful enemies, who resolved that he must be silenced;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;Li&gt;Therefore it was inevitable that continued obedience would culminate in Jesus' martydom.&lt;/ol&gt;On this analysis, God didn't directly will Jesus' death, but merely Jesus' obedience.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The decision of the powers-that-be to murder Jesus was not a direct reflection of God's will; it merely expressed the hatred human beings harbour toward God, who was embodied perfectly in Christ.  The crucifixion is a kind of train wreck, where the human "way" intersects and collides with the divine "way", giving rise to murderous passions on the part of the human actors.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When Paul depicts Jesus as an antitype of Adam in Romans 5, the typology turns on the contrast between Adam's disobedience and &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Romans+5%3A19"&gt;Jesus' obedience&lt;/a&gt;.  It is the obedience that is salvific.  And yet, because the crucifixion was an inevitable consequence of Christ's perfect obedience, Paul can assert:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;Blockquote&gt;&amp;hellip; he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. (Php. 2:8)&lt;/blockquote&gt;My intent, obviously, is to step back from the ham-fisted formula, &lt;em&gt;God tortured Jesus in order to effect our salvation&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Insofar as we speak of God's destructive wrath poured out against &lt;em&gt;sin&lt;/em&gt;, I have no objection to the penal substitution atonement theory.  2Co.&amp;nbsp;5:21 is pertinent here:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;Blockquote&gt;For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.&lt;/blockquote&gt;If Christ in some sense &lt;em&gt;became sin&lt;/em&gt;, God's wrath is poured out &lt;em&gt;on sin&lt;/em&gt;.  But as soon as we begin to envision God's destructive wrath poured out &lt;em&gt;upon Jesus&lt;/em&gt;, I suspect our analysis has gone off track.  (Though admittedly, it is a fine distinction I'm making here!)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In any event, I propose that Adam soteriology is free of this potential defect.  The right way to look at it is, God directly willed Christ's obedience, and it is this obedience which is salvific.  The crucifixion was merely a by-product of the obedience, though it was inevitable because of the violent hatred fallen human beings harbour toward God.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The only way for Jesus to evade martyrdom was to cease to obey God.  That option, obviously, wasn't open to him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img alt="Creative Commons License" style="border-width:0" src="http://i.creativecommons.org/l/by-nc-nd/3.0/80x15.png" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font size="1"&gt;This work is licensed under a &lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;Creative Commons Licence&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;~~~~~~~~~~~~~&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;Unless otherwise indicated, scripture is quoted from &lt;strong&gt;The Holy Bible&lt;/strong&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/preface/" target="blank"&gt;English Standard Version&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;Mark 8:31 and Luke 13:33, both cited above; Luke &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Luke+17%3A25"&gt;17:25&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Luke+22%3A37"&gt;22:37&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Luke+24%3A6-7"&gt;24:7&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-306096926509927149?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/306096926509927149/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=306096926509927149' title='10 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/306096926509927149'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/306096926509927149'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/09/adam-soteriology-refinement.html' title='Adam soteriology: a refinement'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>10</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-1658359491113839478</id><published>2007-09-19T15:30:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-09-20T08:22:44.547-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Paul'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='soteriology'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='christology'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='the &quot;fall of man&quot;'/><title type='text'>Adam soteriology</title><content type='html'>Christ is an &lt;em&gt;antitype&lt;/em&gt; of Adam &amp;mdash; "the last Adam", according to St. Paul:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. &amp;hellip; Thus it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.  (1Co.&amp;nbsp;15:22,45)&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Theologians commonly speak of &lt;em&gt;Adam christology&lt;/em&gt;.  But I want to propose that this construct (Christ as a second Adam) should be regarded as an alternative atonement theory.  Hence the title of the post, &lt;em&gt;Adam soteriology&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are three classical theories of atonement.  None of them is free of difficulties, although evangelical Christians tend to subscribe to third theory, penal substitution.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here's the way I look at it.  Each atonement theory begins by identifying a specific problem, then proposes that Christ's death is the solution to that problem.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;table border="3" cellpadding="6"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;th align ="center"&gt;theory&lt;/th&gt; &lt;th align ="center"&gt;assumed problem&lt;/th&gt; &lt;th align ="center"&gt;solution&lt;/th&gt;&lt;/tr&gt; &lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;Ransom:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;br&gt;(Origen, Augustine, Gregory the Great; dominant theory in the 2nd-10th centuries)&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;Reflects a culture that was familiar with the institution of slavery.  Proposes that we are Satan's property (his slaves, or perhaps his captives) because of our sins.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;Christ's death is God's payment to Satan to purchase our freedom.  (Ultimately Satan is tricked because death cannot hold Christ, who rises from the dead.)&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt; &lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;Satisfaction:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;(Anselm; dominant theory in the 11th-15th centuries)&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;Reflects the honour/shame culture of feudal society.  God is our Lord; by sinning, we insult God's honour; the insult must be requited or God would be shamed.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;Christ's death requites the insult of our sin, upholding God's honour.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt; &lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;Penal Substitution:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;(Luther, Calvin; dominant from the 16th century onwards)&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;The model is judicial, reflecting a culture where legal justice is the preeminent value.  As a just judge, God cannot allow sin to go unpunished.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;Christ dies as our substitute to pay the lawful penalty (death) owed by us.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table border="1"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am proposing the addition of a fourth model:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;table border="3" cellpadding="6"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;th align ="center"&gt;theory&lt;/th&gt; &lt;th align ="center"&gt;assumed problem&lt;/th&gt; &lt;th align ="center"&gt;solution&lt;/th&gt;&lt;/tr&gt; &lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;Adam soteriology:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;The problem is not a matter of our slavery, or of God's honour or his justice.  It is a matter of &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;history&lt;/span&gt;.  Adam's historical act of disobedience corrupted the entire human race and, indeed, the whole of creation.&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;Jesus recapitulated Adam’s history; except, where Adam was disobedient (resulting in death — not for Adam alone), Jesus was obedient (resulting in life — not for Jesus alone).&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table border="1"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This theory proposes that humankind's problem is historical in nature:&amp;nbsp; and the solution is correspondingly historical.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How did Jesus' death set things right again?  By reversing the history of Adam’s fall from grace.  Jesus' obedience (unto death, even death on a cross) set creation on a new historical foundation.  Adam blazed a trail to death; Jesus blazed a new trail &lt;em&gt;through death&lt;/em&gt; to life.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I realize that this answer is only partially satisfactory.  But one might just as well ask, &lt;em&gt;How did Adam's sin result in the corruption of the whole of creation&lt;/em&gt;?  If Adam's historic sin could have such far-reaching consequences, then Christ's historic act of ultimate obedience could, too.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned &amp;mdash; for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law.  Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.  And the free gift is not like the result of that one man's sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification.  For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.  For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Ro. 5:12-19)&lt;/blockquote&gt;None of these insights are original to me.  It's just that the construct is usually described as a christological doctrine; whereas I think it makes equally good sense as soteriology.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The proposed theory appeals to me because it emphasizes historical deeds, and the notion of &lt;em&gt;salvation history&lt;/em&gt; is common to both Judaism and Christianity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The theory also appeals to me because penal substitution, the dominant model among evangelicals, has significant drawbacks:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;The old theological term, &lt;em&gt;propitiation&lt;/em&gt;, tends to represent God as savage or bloodthirsty; his wrath can only be turned aside by means of a blood sacrifice.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;The traditional emphasis on legal justice tends to imply that God is subordinate to the law; that God is under an obligation to satisfy the requirements of the law.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;The notion of God punishing Jesus tends to cast God in the role of the abusive father; the more graphically we depict Christ's suffering, the worse this problem becomes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;One must also ask whether the substitution of an innocent victim for the guilty party can be characterized as a "just" resolution of the problem:&amp;nbsp; is it not rather a &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;miscarriage&lt;/span&gt; of justice when the innocent one suffers while the guilty one goes free?&lt;/ul&gt;This is not to deny that the New Testament teaches penal substitution, because I am persuaded that it does.  However, particularly in our interactions with non-Christians (for the purposes of evangelism or apologetics), I think we would do better to emphasize Adam soteriology rather than the traditional alternatives.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img alt="Creative Commons License" style="border-width:0" src="http://i.creativecommons.org/l/by-nc-nd/3.0/80x15.png" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font size="1"&gt;This work is licensed under a &lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;Creative Commons Licence&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;~~~~~~~~~~~~~&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;Unless otherwise indicated, scripture is quoted from &lt;strong&gt;The Holy Bible&lt;/strong&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/preface/"&gt;English Standard Version&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;James Dunn occasionally uses the phrase "Adam soteriology" in &lt;em&gt;Christology In the Making: An Inquiry into the Origins of the Doctrine of the Incarnation&lt;/em&gt;, 2nd ed., 1989.  For example, he expounds one element of Paul's theology as follows:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Salvation consists in the believer being transformed into the image of God (2Co. 3:18), consists in a progressive renewal in knowledge according to the image of the Creator (Col. 3:10; Eph. 4:24). So there is something of an Adam soteriology here — salvation as a restoration of man to that image in which Adam had been created. (p. 105)&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;The ransom theory (or at least, a modified form of it) is sometimes referred to as &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christus_Victor"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Christus Victor&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-1658359491113839478?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/1658359491113839478/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=1658359491113839478' title='11 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/1658359491113839478'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/1658359491113839478'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/09/adam-soteriology.html' title='Adam soteriology'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>11</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-2421405531591552695</id><published>2007-09-16T14:05:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-09-21T07:49:39.868-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bible'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Walter Brueggemann'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='the church'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='preaching'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='fundamentalism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Paul Ricoeur'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='internal inconsistencies'/><title type='text'>Spoken word, sacred text</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-weight:bold"&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;1. Spoken words:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.&lt;br /&gt;(Jesus, John 6:63)&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;The above verse from John's Gospel establishes a correlation between (1)&amp;nbsp;words, (2)&amp;nbsp;spirit, and (3)&amp;nbsp;life.  But note that the verse refers explicitly to &lt;em&gt;spoken&lt;/em&gt; words.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Like many bloggers, I love books and texts in general.  But in this post I wish to argue for the primacy of the spoken word in Christianity.  (Perhaps in other religions also, but it is not my place to make such a judgement.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The spoken word has a unique &lt;em&gt;spiritual&lt;/em&gt; power &amp;mdash; greater than the spiritual power of the written word.  The spoken word is quasi-magical in its capacity to impart &lt;em&gt;life&lt;/em&gt; to the hearer.  These are the three elements brought together in John 6:63:&amp;nbsp; spoken words; spirit; life.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold"&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;2. Sacred text:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This post was inspired by an essay by philosopher Paul Ricoeur, "The 'Sacred' Text and the Community".&lt;Sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;  Ricoeur confesses that he is frightened by the notion of a sacred text (p. 72).  In Ricoeur's view, any text that is closed (immutable) ceases to be revelatory.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ricoeur comments, "The notion of sacred text may have been alien to the Hebraic and pre-Christian tradition" (p. 71).  No doubt he is thinking of the fact that both communities were initially founded on oral tradition which was later reduced to a fixed, "sacred" text.  He points out that Christians (in particular, Protestants) continually redirect us away from the written word back to the oral:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;Blockquote&gt;It is the function of preaching to reverse the relation from written to spoken.  In that sense preaching is more fundamental to Hebrew and Christian tradition because of the nature of the text that has to be reconverted to word, in contrast with Scripture; and therefore it is a kind of desacralization of the written as such, by the return to the spoken word. (p. 71)&lt;/blockquote&gt;Thus Ricoeur depicts an arc, a movement from the spoken word to the sacred text and back to the spoken word again.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ricoeur looks back, yearningly, to the early decades of the Church, when the community was highly creative in generating novel interpretations of the life of Christ:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;Blockquote&gt;The text was frozen and the process of interpretation stopped because of the fight against heresies; this was, I think, a very destructive activity. (p. 69)&lt;/Blockquote&gt;Thus Ricoeur laments the closing of the New Testament canon.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold"&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;3. Letter vs. spirit:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Having closed the canon, the Church then fixed its interpretation of scripture.  Ricoeur doesn't note (at this point I move beyond Ricoeur and offer my response to his provocative essay) that this development constitutes a betrayal of the Protestant ideal.  The Reformers had a motto, &lt;em&gt;semper reformanda&lt;/em&gt; &amp;mdash; &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Latin_phrases_%28P%E2%80%93Z%29"&gt;always reforming&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;A shortened form of a motto of the Protestant Reformation, &lt;em&gt;Ecclesia reformata semper reformanda est secundu Verbum Dei&lt;/em&gt; ("the reformed Church must be always reforming according to the Word of God"), which refers to the Protestant position that the church must continually re-examine itself, reconsider its doctrines, and be prepared to accept change, in order to conform more closely to orthodox Christian belief as revealed in the Bible. The shortened form, &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;semper reformanda&lt;/span&gt;, literally means "always about to be reformed", but the usual translation ["always reforming"] is taken from the full sentence.&lt;/blockquote&gt;First the text was fixed (the canon was closed) and then the interpretation of the text was fixed.  The result, in many churches, is the preservation of a dead word.  As St. Paul put it,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.&lt;br /&gt;(2Co. 3:6)&lt;/blockquote&gt;Here is an echo of the scripture with which I opened this post; Paul (like John) asserts a positive correlation between &lt;em&gt;spirit&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;life&lt;/em&gt;.  Moreover, Paul assigns the written text (&lt;em&gt;the letter&lt;/em&gt;) to the "death" side of the ledger.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The written word correlates with death because it is fixed and therefore static.  It cannot respond to the express needs of the community; a closed canon is, by definition, unresponsive.  Here Ricoeur can claim a biblical ground for his observation that a closed, immutable text is incapable of revealing God.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold"&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;Conclusion:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My response to this problem is certainly not to repudiate the Bible.  Rather, I would argue, with Brueggemann, that the biblical witness is multivocal; pluriform.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let us begin by recognizing that the biblical authors do not all represent a single perspective.  Then we can find the right biblical text, the right voice, to address the express needs of the community in any given instance.  Thus we preserve the life-giving power of scripture; whereas those who would collapse the multivocal testimony of scripture into a single, harmonious system effectively neuter the text.  In many instances, well-intentioned believers shut out the very voice of God.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I share Ricoeur's regret that the interpretation of scripture is essentially fixed.  Certainly among evangelical Christians, it is, as we see (for example) in the backlash to the "&lt;a href="http://ntgateway.com/weblog/2005/02/new-perspective-on-paul.html"&gt;new perspective&lt;/a&gt;" on Paul.  Human knowledge advances, but the Church's first instinct is always to resist new insights.  As Ricoeur puts it, "Revelation is a historical process, but the notion of sacred text is something antihistorical" (p. 72).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As a preacher, I have observed the life-giving power of the spoken word.  Admittedly, there have been stages of my (rather convoluted) pilgrimage when I have not been very effective from the pulpit.  But on numerous occasions, the response to my preaching has actually startled me:&amp;nbsp; my words were clearly "life" to the congregation to an extent that seemed to go beyond the content of anything I had said.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Those are humbling experiences, when the preacher realizes that s/he is not responsible for the spiritual dynamic.  The preacher has been the conduit for a mysterious external force:&amp;nbsp; a power (&lt;a href="http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Names_of_G-d/Spirit_of_God/spirit_of_god.html"&gt;&lt;em&gt;ruach&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;) that cannot be summoned at will, but comes and goes at the pleasure of Another.  And then the preacher shares in the experience of Jesus, delivering spoken words which are spirit and life.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img alt="Creative Commons License" style="border-width:0" src="http://i.creativecommons.org/l/by-nc-nd/3.0/80x15.png" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font size="1"&gt;This work is licensed under a &lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;Creative Commons Licence&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;~~~~~~~~~~~~~&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;Unless otherwise indicated, scripture is quoted from &lt;strong&gt;The Holy Bible&lt;/strong&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/preface/"&gt;English Standard Version&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;In &lt;em&gt;Figuring the Sacred: Religion, Narrative, and Imagination&lt;/em&gt;, Fortress Press, 1995, pp. 68-72.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-2421405531591552695?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/2421405531591552695/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=2421405531591552695' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/2421405531591552695'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/2421405531591552695'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/09/spoken-word-sacred-text.html' title='Spoken word, sacred text'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-5687121214252761790</id><published>2007-09-12T20:42:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-09-13T06:53:43.468-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='the &quot;fall of man&quot;'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='myth'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='creation'/><title type='text'>Evolution is true; and Adam is historical</title><content type='html'>&lt;blockquote&gt;Scripture and science may well differ in the boundaries they would draw round early humanity.&lt;/blockquote&gt;So writes Derek Kidner in his pithy little commentary, &lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;Genesis&lt;/span&gt; (vol. 1 in the "Tyndale Old Testament Commentaries" series), p. 28.  The observation is key to Kidner's speculation about human beginnings.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Kidner accepts the scientific evidence in support of evolution.  On the other hand, he is a thoroughly evangelical scholar; accordingly, he maintains that Adam was a real, historical human being.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Palaeontology &amp;hellip; depicts a species fashioned over perhaps a million years or more into the present human form, showing the outward characteristics of modern man upwards of twenty thousand years ago, not only in his bodily structure but in his practice of making tools, using fire, burying his dead, and, not least, creating works of art comparable with those of any period.  Even at this remote time the apparent forerunners of our chief racial groups seem to be distinguishable, and the species had already spread widely over the world, displacing another type of hominid, "Neanderthal Man", whose own relics, rough as they are, indicate that tools, fire and burial had been in use for long ages before this.  On the other hand, the first known signs of pastoral and agricultural life and, later, of metal working (&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;e.g.&lt;/span&gt; by hammering copper or meteoric iron [Gen. 4:19-24]) are much more recent, appearing in the Near East, on present evidence, somewhere between the eighth and fifth millennia BC at earliest.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How the two pictures, biblical and scientific, are related to each other is not immediately clear. &amp;hellip; The latter may need the whole range of literary &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;genres&lt;/span&gt; to do it justice, and it is therefore important not to prejudge the method and intention of these chapters.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Other scriptures, however offer certain fixed points to the interpreter.  For example, the human race is of a single stock ("from one", Acts 17:26); again, the offence of one man made sinners of the many, and subjected them to death (Rom. 5:12-19): and this man was as distinct an individual as were Moses and Jesus Christ (Rom. 5:14).  Others too are counted as individuals in the New Testament: &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;e.g.&lt;/span&gt;, Cain, Abel, Enoch, Noah.  These guidelines exclude the idea of myth &amp;hellip; and assure us that we are reading of actual, pivotal events.  (pp. 26-27)&lt;/blockquote&gt;As asserted in the title of this post, &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;evolution is true&lt;/span&gt; and &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Adam is historical&lt;/span&gt; &amp;mdash; those are Kidner's twin convictions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Kidner points out that the vast age of the earth is only one of the difficulties we must tackle if we intend to reconcile Genesis with science.  He emphasizes that we must also explain how the first farmer follows so soon (130 years is the upper limit) after the first man in Genesis.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;To the present author [i.e., Kidner] various converging lines point to an Adam much nearer our own times than the early tool-makers and artists, let alone their remote forbears.  On the face of it, the ways of life described in Genesis 4 are those of the neolithic and first metal-working cultures alluded to above, &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;i.e.&lt;/span&gt;, of perhaps eight or ten thousand years ago, less or more.  The memory of names and genealogical details also suggests a fairly compact period between Adam and Noah rather than a span of tens or hundreds of millennia, an almost unimaginable stretch of time to chronicle.  Yet this seems to widen the gap still further between Genesis and current chronologies.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The answer may lie in our definition of man.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Man in Scripture is much more than &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;homo faber&lt;/span&gt;, the maker of tools: he is constituted man by God's image and breath, nothing less.  It follows that Scripture and science may well differ in the boundaries they would draw round early humanity: the intelligent beings of a remote past, whose bodily and cultural remains give them the clear status of "modern man" to the anthropologist, may yet have been decisively below the plane of life which was established in the creation of Adam.  If, as the text of Genesis would by no means disallow, God initially shaped man by a process of evolution, it would follow that a considerable stock of near-humans preceded the first true man, and it would be arbitrary to picture these as mindless brutes. Nothing requires that the creature into which God breathed human life should not have been of a species prepared in every way for humanity, with already a long history of practical intelligence, artistic sensibility and the capacity for awe and reflection.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On this view, Adam, the first true man, will have had as contemporaries many creatures of comparable intelligence, widely distributed over the world.  One might conjecture that these were destined to die out, like the Neanderthalers (if indeed these did), or to perish in the Flood, leaving Adam's lineal descendants, through Noah, in sole possession.  Against this, however, there must be borne in mind the apparent continuity between the main races of the present and those of the distant past, already mentioned, which seems to suggest either a stupendous antiquity for Adam &amp;hellip; or the continued existence of "pre-Adamites" alongside "Adamites". &amp;hellip;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is at least conceivable that after the special creation of Eve, which established the first human pair as God's viceregents (Gn. 1:27,28) and clinched the fact that there is no natural bridge from animal to man, God may have now conferred His image on Adam's collaterals, to bring them into the same realm of being. Adam's "federal" headship of humanity extended, if that was the case, outwards to his contemporaries as well as onwards to his offspring, and his disobedience disinherited both alike.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There may be a biblical hint of such a situation in the surprising impression of an already populous earth given by the words and deeds of Cain in 4:14,17.  Even Augustine had to devote a chapter [of &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;The City of God&lt;/span&gt;] to answering those who "find this a difficulty". &amp;hellip; It may be significant that, with one possible exception [Gen. 3:20], the unity of mankind "in Adam" and our common status as sinners through his offence are expressed in Scripture not in terms of heredity but simply of solidarity.  We nowhere find applied to us any argument from physical descent such as that of Hebrews 7:9,10 (where Levi shares in Abraham's act through being "still in the loins of his ancestor").  Rather, Adam's sin is shown to have implicated all men because he was the federal head of humanity, somewhat as in Christ's death "one died for all, therefore all died" (2 Cor. 5:14).  Paternity plays no part in making Adam "the figure of him that was to come" (Rom. 5:14).  (pp. 28-30)&lt;/blockquote&gt;I am not committed to Kidner's reconstruction of human beginnings.  In fact, Kidner himself describes it as an exploratory suggestion and invites correction and a better synthesis (p. 30).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have gone to the trouble of typing it out because I wish Kidner's proposal was in wider circulation.  By daring to offer a bold and original interpretation, I think he shows up most evangelical interpreters, who demonstrate a lamentable paucity of imagination.   Kidner shows that it may be possible to read the early chapters of Genesis as history without repudiating the theory of evolution, which has the weight of scientific evidence in support of it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It seems to me that death was in the world long before Adam's sin.  But consider:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ol&gt;&lt;li&gt;that human beings may not have had the moral capacity to sin until after God had breathed into Adam's lungs and reconstituted him in the image and likeness of God; and&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;that the earlier deaths may have been physical only:&amp;nbsp; whereas spiritual death (estrangement from God) appeared for the first time as a consequence of Adam's act of disobedience.&lt;/ol&gt;In the end, I prefer a more mythological interpretation of Genesis 1-11 than the interpretation Kidner commends to us.  I don't suppose that the events of creation necessarily occurred in the same order as in Genesis 1; or that Eve was formed literally of a rib from Adam's side; or that there was a literal tree with fruit that would impart eternal life; nor do I feel compelled to reconcile the &lt;a href="http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/09/account-of-creation-in-genesis-2.html"&gt;variant accounts of creation&lt;/a&gt; in Genesis 1 and Genesis 2.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nonetheless, Kidner provides a reconstruction that is thoughtful, scholarly, and evangelical.  It merits our consideration, if only to show us how blinkered our perspective on scripture usually is.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-5687121214252761790?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/5687121214252761790/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=5687121214252761790' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/5687121214252761790'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/5687121214252761790'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/09/evolution-is-true-and-adam-is.html' title='Evolution is true; and Adam is historical'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-2958009139821483812</id><published>2007-09-08T09:04:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2007-10-03T20:26:08.237-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='church and state'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Paul'/><title type='text'>Church and state: four theses</title><content type='html'>Another tangent!  In response to Dan's current post, &lt;a href="http://poserorprophet.livejournal.com/119933.html"&gt;Understandings of Power (why Christians should avoid being in the government)&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;Thesis 1:&lt;br /&gt;There is no such thing as "the Church" in the abstract.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"The Church" consists of concrete entities (though these entities also have a spiritual dimension to them).  Human beings, in all their fleshliness, make up the Church.  Buildings, bank accounts, organizational hierarchies &amp;mdash; these things also are inescapably a component of "the Church", however much we may deplore it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;Thesis 2:&lt;br /&gt;A human being is a human being, whether inside or outside of the Church.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In my younger, more idealistic days, I took 2Co. 5:17 at face value:&amp;nbsp; "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come."&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Bitter experience has taught me that St. Paul here articulates an ideal, rather than a reality.  Christians do not cease to be human beings when they are converted.  We are fundamentally &lt;em&gt;the same as&lt;/em&gt; human beings outside of the Church, not fundamentally &lt;em&gt;different from&lt;/em&gt;, pace Paul's bold assertion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;Thesis 3:&lt;br /&gt;The line dividing good from evil runs through the midst of every human being:&amp;nbsp; Christian and non-Christian alike.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here I am of course alluding to Solzhenitsyn's famous statement:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Christians are fully human beings.  Though they are Spirit-filled, they remain fallen.  From the same source comes both blessing and curse.  It &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=James+3%3A10"&gt;ought not to be so&lt;/a&gt; &amp;mdash; but it is so.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Non-Christians are human beings fundamentally like us.  Though they are depraved, non-Christians too are created in God's image.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thus Solzhenitsyn is right:&amp;nbsp; the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being, Christian and non-Christian alike.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;Thesis 4:&lt;br /&gt;Because the Church is a human institution, it commits acts both good and evil.  The same is true of the secular state.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dan asserts that it is intrinsic to government to crucify people.  The Church also crucifies people, but crucifixion is extrinsic to the Church.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dan asserts that it is intrinsic to the Church to benefit people.  I hope Dan will concede that the secular state also benefits people &amp;mdash; roads, hospitals, schools, donations of aid to other nations, etc. &amp;mdash; but Dan dares to maintain that such benefits are extrinsic to the secular state.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dan asserts that Christians ought not to work for the secular government.  This cuts rather close to the bone for me, because I am in fact an employee of the Government of Canada.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dan's (extreme, ideological) position leaves me rather breathless.  I'm not offended by it, because I am unable to take it seriously.  But I thought I would offer some theses to counter Dan's theses, to provide a rational foundation for my contrary convictions.  Hence the four theses above.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Both the Church and the state crucify people; both the Church and the state benefit people.  How can any Christian seriously maintain this intrinsic/extrinsic distinction, when both institutions serve up both good and evil in large proportions?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I use the word "institution" of the Church advisedly.  The Church always establishes its own set of power relations, based on property, money, popularity, good looks, charisma, eloquence, musical talent, academic credentials, etc.  Every social institution has its pecking order, based on considerations worthy and unworthy.  The Church is no exception.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Such a pecking order exists at both the formal (organizational hierarchy) and informal (social hierarchy) levels, and the two pecking orders never correspond exactly.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why isn't the Church an exception to the general rule?  Because there is no "Church" in the abstract &amp;mdash; spiritual and elevated above the things of this earth.  The Church consists of concrete entities:&amp;nbsp; human beings plus buildings, cash, pianos, etc.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The state, as a human institution, is simultaneously both good and evil.  So too, the Church, which is likewise a human institution.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Brothers and sisters, it ought not to be so.  But it is:&amp;nbsp; and we must live in the real world.  We must build our lives on a foundation of reality &amp;mdash; not some abstraction that exists only in the pages of St. Paul's Spirit-fueled epistles.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;eschaton&lt;/span&gt;, yes.  Here and now?  Regrettably &amp;mdash; no.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img alt="Creative Commons License" style="border-width:0" src="http://i.creativecommons.org/l/by-nc-nd/3.0/80x15.png" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font size="1"&gt;This work is licensed under a &lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;Creative Commons Licence&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;~~~~~~~~~~~~~&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;Unless otherwise indicated, scripture is quoted from &lt;strong&gt;The Holy Bible&lt;/strong&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/preface/"&gt;English Standard Version&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-2958009139821483812?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/2958009139821483812/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=2958009139821483812' title='14 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/2958009139821483812'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/2958009139821483812'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/09/church-and-state-four-theses.html' title='Church and state: four theses'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>14</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-4746522782550313930</id><published>2007-09-05T03:51:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-09-05T12:01:44.340-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='internal inconsistencies'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='myth'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='creation'/><title type='text'>The account of creation in Genesis 2</title><content type='html'>Chris Tilling is hosting an &lt;a href="http://www.christilling.de/blog/2007/09/only-evolutionists-can-be-saved.html"&gt;interesting discussion&lt;/a&gt; on evolution vs. creationism, and whether Genesis 1-2 should be interpreted literally or regarded as mythology.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(As usual, Chris provoked the discussion and then vanished into the cyber-ether.  I'm beginning to wonder whether he really exists.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have a couple of posts on this topic that I've been meaning to publish.  Actually, I've posted my first observation before, as a &lt;a href="http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2007/08/guest-post-fundamentalists-and-sceptics.html"&gt;guest blogger&lt;/a&gt; on Jewish Atheist's blog.  I'm referring to the middle section of that post, where I argued that there are two variant accounts of creation in Genesis&amp;nbsp;1 and Genesis&amp;nbsp;2.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Both accounts insist that humankind is the focal point of creation.  Genesis 1 makes the point by recounting that humans were created &lt;em&gt;last&lt;/em&gt; &amp;mdash; the crowning jewel of creation.  Genesis 2 makes the point by recounting that humans were created &lt;em&gt;first&lt;/em&gt; &amp;mdash; thus taking precedence over everything else:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;Blockquote&gt;These are the generations&lt;br /&gt;of the heavens and the earth when they were created,&lt;br /&gt;in the day that the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt; God made the earth and the heavens.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When no bush of the field was yet in the earth&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; and no small plant of the field had yet sprung up &amp;mdash; for the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt; God had not caused it to rain on the land &amp;hellip; then the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt; God formed the man of dust from the ground&amp;hellip;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Genesis 2:4-7a)&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;There are at least two variant details in the accounts of creation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;table border="3" cellpadding="6"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;th align ="center"&gt;&lt;/th&gt; &lt;th align ="center"&gt;Genesis 1&lt;/th&gt; &lt;th align ="center"&gt;Genesis 2&lt;/th&gt;&lt;/tr&gt; &lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;"days" of creation&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td align="center"&gt;7&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;1 &amp;mdash; "in the day that the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt; God made the earth and the heavens"&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt; &lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;order of events&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;humans created (day 6) after vegetation (day 3)&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;humans created before vegetation, "when no bush of the field was yet in the earth"&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sceptics might suppose that the editor of Genesis was sloppy, and didn't notice the hopeless contradiction between the two accounts.  This is a constant temptation:&amp;nbsp; to suppose that "primitive" peoples lacked intellectual sophistication.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;More likely, the editor considered that he had two creation stories which approached the topic from two different vantage points, and he was loathe to lose either of them.  The presence of variant details was simply immaterial.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why was it immaterial?  Because neither account of creation is a lab report:&amp;nbsp; they belong to the literary genre, &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;myth&lt;/span&gt;.  Myths are "metaphorical [nonliteral] narratives about the relation between this world and the sacred."&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Alternatively we could set out to describe the literary genre in more nuanced terms, as the evangelical scholar Gordon Wenham&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt; struggles to do:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Whereas the layman tends to see the issue in simple categories of myth or history, theologians have for various reasons tended to avoid this polarization. &amp;hellip; Von Rad and Westermann call Gen 2-3 simply narrative (&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;erzählung&lt;/span&gt;) and Coats calls it a tale.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Similarly, Otzen (&lt;em&gt;Myths in the Old Testament&lt;/em&gt;, 25) states, "The narratives in the opening chapters of Genesis do not have the character of real myths."  But the garden of Eden story does fulfill functions often associated with myths in other cultures.  It explains man's present situation and obligations in terms of a primeval event which is of abiding significance.  Marriage, work, pain, sin, and death are the subject matter of this great narrative.  And this narrative is replete with powerful symbols &amp;mdash; rivers, gold, cherubim, serpents and so on &amp;mdash; which hint at its universal significance.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yet for the author of Genesis it is clear "that here a factual report is meant to be given about facts which everyone knows and whose reality no one can question" (von Rad, 75).  The introductory formula "This is the history of the heaven and the earth" (2:4) not only links this cycle of narratives with those which follow (e.g., 5:1 or 11:27), but implies that the characters who appear in Gen 2 and 3 are as real as the patriarchs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But to affirm that Gen 2-3 is "a factual report" is not to say it is history, at least history in the normal meaning of the term. &amp;hellip;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If earlier commentators tended to think in terms of the writer of Genesis putting into words a vision of the garden which was disclosed to him, or recording a primeval tradition for posterity, modern writers &amp;hellip; prefer to think in terms of divine inspiration working through the author's creative imagination. &amp;hellip;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Whereas a modern writer might have been happy to spell this out in abstract theological terminology &amp;mdash; God created the world good, but man spoiled it by his disobedience &amp;mdash; Genesis puts these truths in vivid and memorable form in an absorbing yet highly symbolic story.  It is argued that such an understanding of the story's composition can account for its use of mythological motifs from neighboring peoples and its points of connection with other parts of the OT, particularly the covenant and wisdom traditions.&lt;/blockquote&gt;You can see Wenham struggling here.  It's easier to say what the genre &lt;em&gt;isn't&lt;/em&gt; than to say what the genre &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt;:&amp;nbsp; it isn't myth, or history "in the normal meaning of the term", or abstract theology, or pure "revelation" as understood in previous generations, or mere tradition.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The opening chapters of Genesis borrow motifs from the myths of neighbouring peoples, and they fulfil the function of mythology, and they use archetypal symbols (e.g. the serpent) &amp;mdash; yet Wenham still wants to deny that &lt;em&gt;myth&lt;/em&gt; is the right literary category.  He prefers to think in terms of "divine inspiration working through the author's creative imagination".  This seems to bring us back to von Rad's label, &lt;em&gt;narrative&lt;/em&gt;, albeit an inspired narrative.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In my view, Wenham's unease with the label &lt;em&gt;myth&lt;/em&gt; is unnecessary.  It's better to acknowledge that these chapters are Israel's myth, while carefully explaining what one means by the term.  Wenham himself admits that the writer borrows motifs from the myths of neighbouring, pagan peoples:&amp;nbsp; not in agreement with their theology, but rather in a deliberate effort to subvert their accounts of creation:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The known links of the Hebrew patriarchs with Mesopotamia and the widespread diffusion of cuneiform literary texts throughout the Levant in the Amarna period (late 15th century) make it improbable that the writers of Genesis were completely ignorant of Babylonian and cognate mythology.  Most likely they were conscious of a number of accounts of creation current in the Near East of their day, and Gen 1 is a deliberate statement of Hebrew view of creation over against rival views.  It is not merely a demythologization of oriental creation myths, whether Babylonian or Egyptian; rather it is a polemical repudiation of such myths.&lt;sup&gt;5&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Well-meaning believers thus miss the point when they get hung up over a literal seven days of creation.  The point is, &lt;em&gt;not Marduk&lt;/em&gt; (or Ra, or whomever) &lt;em&gt;but YHWH&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Moreover, that YHWH is no tribal deity, but Lord of all the earth, which is his handiwork.  And we might list other "points" as well.  The opening chapters of Genesis are a fount of multiple, foundational doctrines.  One of the characteristics of myth is its capacity to hold a "surplus of meaning":&amp;nbsp; more layers and depth of meaning than a merely literal use of language can sustain.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img alt="Creative Commons License" style="border-width:0" src="http://i.creativecommons.org/l/by-nc-nd/3.0/80x15.png" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font size="1"&gt;This work is licensed under a &lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;Creative Commons Licence&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;~~~~~~~~~~~~~&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;"Earth" is the alternative translation given in a footnote to the English Standard Version.  In the main text, the ESV translation is, "When no bush of the field was yet in the land".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;Unless otherwise indicated, scripture is quoted from &lt;strong&gt;The Holy Bible&lt;/strong&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/preface/"&gt;English Standard Version&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;Marcus Borg, &lt;em&gt;Reading the Bible Again for the First Time&lt;/em&gt;, p. 71.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;em&gt;Genesis 1-15&lt;/em&gt;, Word Biblical Commentary vol. 1, discussing the &lt;em&gt;form/structure/setting&lt;/em&gt; of Genesis 2:4-3:24.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;5&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;em&gt;Genesis 1-15&lt;/em&gt;, discussing the &lt;em&gt;form/structure/setting&lt;/em&gt; of Genesis 1:1-2:3.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-4746522782550313930?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/4746522782550313930/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=4746522782550313930' title='17 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/4746522782550313930'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/4746522782550313930'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/09/account-of-creation-in-genesis-2.html' title='The account of creation in Genesis 2'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>17</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-770572843765457790</id><published>2007-08-26T08:51:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-08-26T10:37:20.692-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Paul'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='postmodernism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Jesus'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='christology'/><title type='text'>Adam christology in the Philippians 2 hymn</title><content type='html'>&lt;blockquote&gt;who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Php. 2:6-11)&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Johannes Weiss first called attention to the rhythmic nature of the above text in 1899.  Today, there is nearly universal agreement that Paul is quoting a very early Christian hymn composed in honour of Jesus.  The opening word, ὃς ("who"), hints at the same conclusion.  "Who" sometimes functions as a kind of pivot introducing hymnlike confessions of faith:&amp;nbsp; see &lt;a href="http://bible.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?word=Colossians+1%3A15+-+20&amp;section=2&amp;version=asv&amp;new=1&amp;oq=&amp;NavBook=col&amp;NavGo=1&amp;NavCurrentChapter=1"&gt;Col.&amp;nbsp;1:15&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=1+Tim+3%3A16"&gt;1&amp;nbsp;Tim. 3:16&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href="http://bible.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?word=Heb.+1%3A3&amp;section=2&amp;version=nkj&amp;new=1&amp;oq=&amp;NavBook=1ti&amp;NavGo=3&amp;NavCurrentChapter=3"&gt;Heb&amp;nbsp;1:3&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We've been discussing "Adam christology" (see the &lt;a href="http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/08/adam-christology-in-pauls-letters.html"&gt;previous post&lt;/a&gt;).  What does that mean?  In the words of James Dunn,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The divine program for man [was] run through again with Jesus.  Christ faced the same archetypal choice that confronted Adam, but chose &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; as Adam had chosen (to grasp equality with God).  &lt;em&gt;Instead&lt;/em&gt; he chose to empty himself of Adam's glory and to embrace Adam's lot, the fate which Adam had suffered by way of punishment.  (&lt;em&gt;Christology In the Making&lt;/em&gt;, p. 117)&lt;/blockquote&gt;Consequently, God super-exalted Jesus and installed him to the highest office, Lord of all.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dunn is fitting the language of Php. 2:6-11 ("equality with God", "emptied himself") into the paradigm, Adam christology.  It's a controversial interpretation of the Philippians text.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Evangelicals wouldn't know it, but the interpretation of Php. 2:6-11 is extremely contentious.  Gerald Hawthorne writes,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The number of genuine exegetical problems and the sheer mass of books and articles it has called forth leaves one wondering where to begin. &amp;hellip; There is little that can be agreed upon, whether the topic discussed is the precise form of this section, its authorship, its place and purpose in the letter, the sources used in its composition, and so on.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(&lt;em&gt;Philippians, Word Biblical Commentary, ad loc.&lt;/em&gt;)&lt;/blockquote&gt;Most interpreters continue to see a clear reference to Christ's pre-existence in Philippians 2:6-11.  But Dunn dares to question that interpretation:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;As J. Murphy-O'Connor has recently maintained &amp;hellip; the common belief that Phil. 2:6-11 starts by speaking of Christ's pre-existent state and status and then of his incarnation is, in almost every case, a presupposition rather than a conclusion, a presupposition which again and again proves decisive in determining how disputed terms within the Philippians hymn should be understood. (p. 114)&lt;/blockquote&gt;Perhaps the easiest way to proceed is to lay out these two possible interpretations of the text side by side.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;table border="3" cellpadding="6"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;th align ="center"&gt;&lt;/th&gt; &lt;th align ="center"&gt;pre-existence&lt;/th&gt; &lt;th align ="center"&gt;Adam christology&lt;/th&gt;&lt;/tr&gt; &lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;was in the form of God (μορφῇ θεοῦ)&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;refers to Jesus' divine status in heaven, before his conception in Mary's womb&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;Refers to Jesus' Adam-like status after his birth.  "Form" (μορφῇ) of God is synonymous with "image" (εἰκών) of God.  Like Adam before the first sin, the man Jesus bore the image and glory of God perfectly.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt; &lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;did not ἁρπαγμὸν [cling to?] [snatch at?] equality with God&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;Jesus, who already possessed equality with God, did not cling to it&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;Jesus, like Adam, was tempted to snatch at the possibility of god-like status (see &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Gen+3%3A5"&gt;Ge. 3:5&lt;/a&gt;) &amp;mdash; but resisted&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt; &lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;emptied himself, taking the form of a slave, γενόμενος [being born?] [becoming?] in the likeness of men&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;refers to Jesus' incarnation: he divested himself of his deity and was born in the likeness of a human being&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;γενόμενος is not to be translated "born" but "becoming" (just as it is translated in vs. 8).  When Adam sinned, he &lt;em&gt;became&lt;/em&gt; estranged from God, a slave to sin and corruption (suffering / death).  Jesus, who did not sin, might have claimed an exemption from the universal human pattern (the "likeness of a human being").  He did not stand on his rights but emptied himself: i.e., he voluntarily participated in Adam's state of slavery.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt; &lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;being found in form as man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;emphasizes &lt;em&gt;death by crucifixion&lt;/em&gt; as the ultimate expression of Jesus' self-emptying&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;ditto; with the theological observation that Jesus' suffering and death were a voluntary participation in Adam's suffering and death&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt; &lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name ("Lord") that is above every name&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;a return to the status Jesus already enjoyed prior to his incarnation, concluding a pattern of glory/descent/return to glory&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;elevation to a status Jesus had not formerly possessed: the status that Adam was destined for but never attained because of his sin&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table border="1"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dunn summarizes:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;The Christ of Phil. 2:6-11 therefore is the man who undid Adam's wrong&lt;/em&gt;:&amp;nbsp; confronted with the same choice [whether to snatch at equality with God], he rejected Adam's sin, but nevertheless freely followed Adam's course as fallen man to the bitter end of death; wherefore God bestowed on him the status not simply that Adam lost, but the status which Adam was intended [but failed] to come to.  (p. 119, emphasis in original)&lt;/blockquote&gt;Via his &lt;em&gt;obedience unto death&lt;/em&gt;, Jesus became God's final prototype, the &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=1+Cor+15%3A45"&gt;last Adam&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Am I convinced that Dunn's interpretation of Php. 2:6-11 is the right one?  No.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Am I convinced that Dunn's interpretation of Php. 2:6-11 is a legitimate, possible interpretation?  Yes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This controversy is an outstanding example of the difficulty of interpreting the biblical texts.  Individual words (μορφῇ, "form"; ἁρπαγμὸν, "cling to" or "snatch at"; and γενόμενος, "born" or "becoming") are ambiguous.  Their interpretation turns on our presuppositions:&amp;nbsp; the paradigm we impose on the text.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When we read the text through the traditional lens (trinitarianism, fully articulated only in the post-biblical era), Php. 2:6-11 clearly refers to Christ's pre-existence.  It never occurs to us that another interpretation might be possible &amp;mdash; one that sees no reference to pre-existence in the text.  But then another paradigm is suggested &amp;mdash; in this case, Adam christology &amp;mdash; and we realize with some shock that it makes sense.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What then?  We're left with two divergent interpretations, and it is impossible to know for certain which one is correct.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Postmodernists say that all interpretation is like that:&amp;nbsp; we &lt;em&gt;get out of&lt;/em&gt; the text what we &lt;em&gt;bring to&lt;/em&gt; the text; therefore no text has a single "right" interpretation.  Meaning is always subjective and legitimately contested.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The postmodern perspective is obviously problematic for the concept of biblical authority.  But whether or not we're comfortable with its implications, Php. 2:6-11 is a good example of the real challenges of interpreting biblical texts.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img alt="Creative Commons License" style="border-width:0" src="http://i.creativecommons.org/l/by-nc-nd/3.0/80x15.png" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font size="1"&gt;This work is licensed under a &lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;Creative Commons Licence&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;~~~~~~~~~~~~~&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;Here, Php. 2:6-11 is quoted from &lt;strong&gt;The Holy Bible&lt;/strong&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/preface/"&gt;English Standard Version&lt;/a&gt;.  When individual phrases are later inserted into a table, I am not following any one English translation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;The Greek text is copied from the &lt;a href="http://www.greekbible.com/"&gt;Online Greek Bible&lt;/a&gt; using the font, Athena.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-770572843765457790?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/770572843765457790/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=770572843765457790' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/770572843765457790'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/770572843765457790'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/08/adam-christology-in-philippians-2-hymn.html' title='Adam christology in the Philippians 2 hymn'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-382306907026740641</id><published>2007-08-23T06:39:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-08-23T11:56:46.406-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Paul'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='soteriology'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Jesus'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='christology'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='the &quot;fall of man&quot;'/><title type='text'>Adam christology in Paul's letters</title><content type='html'>And now for something completely different &amp;hellip;!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In general, &lt;strong&gt;Emerging From Babel&lt;/strong&gt; consciously focuses on exegesis of the Old Testament.  But since I'm a Christian, interacting with other bibliobloggers, I continue to get drawn into dialogue on New Testament issues as well.  Thus I've gotten sidetracked (it happens all the time) by a recent post on Chris Tilling's blog.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Chris has been &lt;a href="http://www.christilling.de/blog/2007/08/review-of-fees-pauline-christology.html"&gt;surveying the content&lt;/a&gt; of a recent publication by Gordon D. Fee:&amp;nbsp; &lt;em&gt;Pauline Christology: An Exegetical-Theological Study&lt;/em&gt; (Peabody, Mass: Hendrickson, 2007).  &lt;a href="http://www.christilling.de/blog/2007/08/review-of-fees-pauline-christology.html"&gt;Part 7&lt;/a&gt; of Chris's survey touches on the question of Adam christology:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;While there is an Adam Christology in Paul, "in terms of actual language and echoes from Gen 1-2, it is limited to two kinds of passages:&amp;nbsp; first, explicit contrasts between Christ and Adam &amp;hellip; and, second, where the incarnate Christ is seen as the true bearer of the divine image".&lt;/blockquote&gt;I'd like to explore this topic here (having already posted several long comments on Chris's blog).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In this post, we'll deal with the topic of Adam christology in general.  In the follow-up post, we'll take a look at the great hymn contained in Philippians 2.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;1. Allusions to Adam:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Adam plays a larger role in Paul's theology than is usually realized. &amp;hellip; Adam is a key figure in Paul's attempt to express his understanding both of Christ and of man.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(James Dunn, &lt;em&gt;Christology In the Making: An Inquiry into the Origins of the Doctrine of the Incarnation&lt;/em&gt;, 2nd ed., 1989, p. 101.)&lt;/blockquote&gt;Dunn argues that there are numerous allusions to Adam where Adam is not explicitly mentioned.  I would summarize the texts by saying that they deal with the whole notion of the "fall of man":&amp;nbsp; a fall &lt;em&gt;from&lt;/em&gt; grace &lt;em&gt;into&lt;/em&gt; depravity, separation from God, hardship, suffering, and ultimately death.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Those themes are of course sounded in the story of Adam's creation and disobedience, recounted in Genesis 1-3 &amp;mdash;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;created in God's &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Genesis+1%3A26"&gt;image / likeness&lt;/a&gt;;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;bore God's glory;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;tempted by the promise that he could be &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Genesis+3%3A5"&gt;like God&lt;/a&gt;;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;disobeyed God's command;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;forfeited God's glory and perhaps also God's image / likeness;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;became a slave to sin and death;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;the &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Genesis+3%3A17-19"&gt;creation likewise&lt;/a&gt; was subject to &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Rom+8%3A20-21"&gt;bondage and decay&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/ul&gt;Of the above items, the most interesting concerns the image / likeness / glory of God.  Did humanity forfeit these things, either in Adam's sin or in our own subsequent sins (or both)?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That humanity forfeited God's image at the fall was not a traditional Jewish view:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The motif of man made in the divine image does not play a large part in Jewish thought &amp;mdash; it seems to have been taken more or less for granted. &amp;hellip; More striking is the fact that there is little or no thought of the divine image being effaced or obscured in Adam as a consequence of his fall (cf. &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?passage=Gen+5%3A1-3"&gt;Gen. 5:1-3&lt;/a&gt;; &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Gen+9%3A6"&gt;9:6&lt;/a&gt;; &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=James+3%3A9"&gt;James 3:9&lt;/a&gt;).  (Dunn, p. 105)&lt;/blockquote&gt;On the other hand:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;There may have been no real idea that Adam forfeited the &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;image&lt;/span&gt; of God by his fall, but there was certainly a firm conviction that he had forfeited the &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;glory&lt;/span&gt; of God. &amp;hellip; Thus in [the rabbinic texts] &lt;em&gt;Gen. Rab&lt;/em&gt;. 12:6 and &lt;em&gt;Num. Rab.&lt;/em&gt; 13:12 glory (or lustre) is one of the six things taken from Adam which would be restored in the world to come (see also &lt;em&gt;Gen. Rab.&lt;/em&gt; 11:2; 21:5; &lt;em&gt;Deut. Rab.&lt;/em&gt; 11:3).  (Dunn, p. 106; I added the italics on "image" and "glory")&lt;/blockquote&gt;As for Paul, at one point he states that man (meaning literally the male) is the &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=1+Cor+11%3A7"&gt;image and glory&lt;/a&gt; of God.  But:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The dominant motif in Paul is that man is rather the image of &lt;em&gt;fallen&lt;/em&gt; Adam, shares his corruptibility (&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=1+Cor+15%3A49"&gt;1Co. 15:49&lt;/a&gt;), and that salvation consists in the believer being &lt;em&gt;transformed&lt;/em&gt; into the image of God (&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?passage=2+Cor+3%3A18"&gt;2Co. 3:18&lt;/a&gt;), consists in a progressive &lt;em&gt;renewal&lt;/em&gt; in knowledge according to the image of the Creator (&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Col.+3%3A10"&gt;Col. 3:10&lt;/a&gt;; &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Eph.+4%3A24"&gt;Eph. 4:24&lt;/a&gt;).  So there is something of an Adam soteriology here [NB. even where Adam is not explicitly mentioned] &amp;mdash; salvation as a restoration of man to that image in which Adam had been created. (Dunn, p. 105)&lt;/blockquote&gt;Accordingly, Dunn sees references to Adam where a casual reader would not notice any such thing:&amp;nbsp; e.g.,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;"for all have sinned and forfeited the glory of God" (Ro. 3:23; Dunn's translation);&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;"I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin came alive and I died.  The very commandment that promised life proved to be death to me.  For sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me" (Ro. 7:9).&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;On the latter text, Dunn comments:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Romans 7:9f. can be fully explicated only by reference to Adam.  Only if he was thinking of Adam could Paul properly say that he was alive once apart from the law, and that the coming of the commandment brought sin to life and resulted in death for him.  For a life "apart from law", and a "coming" of law which resulted in sin and death, was true of Adam in a way that it would not be true of anyone born after or under the law. &amp;hellip;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally with Rom. 7:11, "for sin, finding opportunity in the commandment, deceived (ἐξηπάτησέν) me and by it killed me", we have a fairly explicit echo of the woman's complaint in Gen. 3:13 &amp;mdash; "The serpent deceived (ηπάτησέν) me and I ate." (p. 104)&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;2. Explicit references to Adam:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The divine program for man which broke down with Adam has been run through again in Jesus &amp;mdash; this time successfully. &amp;hellip; Christ could not become last Adam, progenitor of a new manhood beyond death, if he had not first been Adam, one with the manhood which the first Adam begot.  (Dunn, pp. 110-111)&lt;/blockquote&gt;We can now turn our attention to the only two texts in which Paul explicitly develops an Adam christology.  First, Romans 5:12-19 &amp;mdash;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned. &amp;hellip; Adam &amp;hellip; was a type of the one who was to come.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But the free gift is not like the trespass. &amp;hellip; For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification. &amp;hellip;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.  For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Dunn comments:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Adam and Christ are alike (Adam the type of Christ &amp;mdash; vs. 14) in that in both cases the action of one man had fateful consequences for those who followed.  Both also died, but here the similarity ends.  For where Adam's death was the consequence of his trespass, his disobedience, Christ's death &lt;em&gt;was&lt;/em&gt; his act of righteousness, his act of obedience. &amp;hellip;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By freely following out the consequences of Adam's disobedience (i.e. death), Jesus burst through the cul-de-sac of death into life. &amp;hellip; [Thus] he was able to catch up man in resurrection, to make it possible for God's original intention for man to be fulfilled at the last.  The point can be expressed thus:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Adam's disobedience &amp;mdash;&amp;mdash;&amp;mdash;&amp;gt; death&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Christ's obedience to death &amp;mdash;&amp;mdash;&amp;mdash;&amp;gt; life.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(p. 111)&lt;/blockquote&gt;Second, 1Co. 15:20-49 &amp;mdash;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.  For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead.  For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. &amp;hellip; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[The body of a dead person] is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.  Thus it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.  But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual.  The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven.  As was the man of dust, so also are those who are of the dust, and as is the man of heaven, so also are those who are of heaven.  Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Dunn comments:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;It is likely that there is an underlying connection of thought &amp;hellip; to the effect that Christ too first bore "the image of the man of dust" before he became "the man from heaven" (vs. 49), that he too was a "living soul" before he became "life-giving Spirit" (vs. 45).  For only he who died as men die could become "the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep" (vs. 20).  (p. 111)&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;font size="3"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Conclusion:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These are complex ideas:&amp;nbsp; they are familiar to us and yet they stretch our capacity to understand.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the follow-up post, we will consider the great hymn in Philippians 2 to see whether it, too, is an instance of Adam christology.  Dunn thinks it is, even though Adam is not explicitly mentioned.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;~~~~~~~~~~~~~&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;Unless otherwise indicated, scripture is quoted from &lt;strong&gt;The Holy Bible&lt;/strong&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/preface/"&gt;English Standard Version&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-382306907026740641?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/382306907026740641/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=382306907026740641' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/382306907026740641'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/382306907026740641'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/08/adam-christology-in-pauls-letters.html' title='Adam christology in Paul&apos;s letters'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-7284680488310326386</id><published>2007-08-16T18:33:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-08-16T16:07:52.846-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bible'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='psychology'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='prophets'/><title type='text'>A study in depression</title><content type='html'>I'm curious how many of my readers are familiar with the Latin word, &lt;em&gt;verisimilitude&lt;/em&gt;.  It is a technical term used primarily in literary criticism, but I encountered it in my theology studies.  Here's a &lt;a href="http://web.cn.edu/kwheeler/lit_terms_V.html"&gt;good definition&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The sense that what one reads is "real," or at least realistic and believable. For instance, the reader possesses a sense of verisimilitude when reading a story in which a character cuts his finger, and the finger bleeds. If the character's cut finger had produced sparks of fire rather than blood, the story would not possess verisimilitude. Note that even fantasy novels and science fiction stories that discuss impossible events can have verisimilitude if the reader is able to read them with suspended disbelief.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Note the phrase, "the reader possesses a sense of verisimilitude &amp;hellip;".  The term tells us something about the text, to be sure, but it isn't a characteristic we can define objectively.  It's fundamentally about the reader:&amp;nbsp; his or her subjective response while reading the text.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The word verisimilitude came to mind yesterday as I was reading this text:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Elijah went a day's journey into the wilderness and came and sat down under a broom tree. And he asked that he might die, saying, "It is enough; now, O L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt;, take away my life, for I am no better than my fathers."  And he lay down and slept.  (1&amp;nbsp;Kings 19:4-5a)&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;I find this story about Elijah startling and deeply moving.  I don't have any deep theological or psychological insight to share with you.  I just wanted to say, here's a text that has verisimilitude.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Years ago, I received some training before I began to work at a crisis support centre, answering telephone calls from people in distress.  The trainer was a clergyman, and he drew our attention to this passage as a textbook example of depression.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Elijah has reached the end of his rope.  He can't cope any longer.  He wants nothing more than to die.  He sleeps.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The story is especially remarkable if you read it in context.  It comes immediately after Elijah's triumph on Mount Carmel, where he had proven that Baal is a false god and the prophets of Baal were false prophets.  It was the high point of Elijah's career; but immediately afterward, he was plunged into a state of depression.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The sequence is true to human psychology.  Whenever you have a peak experience, you can expect to feel a letdown afterward.  But the word "letdown" is hardly adequate in Elijah's case!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To be fair, I should point out that there was one intervening event.  Queen Jezebel had threatened to murder Elijah:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;[King] Ahab told Jezebel all that Elijah had done, and how he had killed all the prophets [of Baal] with the sword.  Then Jezebel sent a messenger to Elijah, saying, "So may the gods do to me and more also, if I do not make your life as the life of one of them by this time tomorrow."  Then he was afraid, and he arose and ran for his life. (1&amp;nbsp;Kings 19:1-3a)&lt;/blockquote&gt;Elijah was also suffering from the burden of carrying too much responsibility.  He lived in an era when Israel had broken faith with God.  He was the point man in God's campaign to bring Israel to repentance.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;And Elijah came near to all the people and said, "How long will you go limping between two different opinions? If the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt; is God, follow him; but if Baal, then follow him." And the people did not answer him a word. (1&amp;nbsp;Kings&amp;nbsp;18:21)&lt;/blockquote&gt;This is a heavy burden to bear.  The religion of Israel mattered profoundly to Elijah.  He felt that its very survival rested on his shoulders, and his alone.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Elijah came to a cave and lodged in it. And behold, the word of the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt; came to him, and he said to him, "What are you doing here, Elijah?"  He said, "I have been very jealous for the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt;, the God of hosts. For the people of Israel have forsaken your covenant, thrown down your altars, and killed your prophets with the sword, and I, even I only, am left, and they seek my life, to take it away."  (1&amp;nbsp;Kings 19:9-10)&lt;/blockquote&gt;So Elijah's depression has three&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; identifiable causes:&amp;nbsp; (1) the inevitable letdown after his triumph on Mount Carmel; (2) Jezebel's threat on his life; and (3) the onerous burden of responsibility he carried.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"It is enough," he says, with profound understatement.  "Please &amp;mdash; just let me die."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sceptics deride the Bible for its fantastic stories, and I understand that point of view.  Elijah is associated with a series of outstanding miracles.  It is as if earthly limitations don't apply to him:&amp;nbsp; rather like Jesus walking on water.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Even if faith says that the stories are historical, it's still difficult to relate to a superhuman hero.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's worth noting that the Bible also has this other side.  In most cases &amp;mdash; Abraham, Moses, David, Elijah, and Jeremiah come to mind &amp;mdash; the veil is lifted at least occasionally, and we see the frail, human side of the Bible's heroes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is then that the Bible seems truest to us:&amp;nbsp; it is then that the reader experiences this subjective response, &lt;em&gt;verisimilitude&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Cross-posted on &lt;a href="http://itsmypulp.wordpress.com/"&gt;Outside the Box&lt;/a&gt;.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img alt="Creative Commons License" style="border-width:0" src="http://i.creativecommons.org/l/by-nc-nd/3.0/80x15.png" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font size="1"&gt;This work is licensed under a &lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;Creative Commons Licence&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;~~~~~~~~~~~~~&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;Unless otherwise indicated, scripture is quoted from &lt;strong&gt;The Holy Bible&lt;/strong&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/preface/"&gt;English Standard Version&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;Four, if we include physical exhaustion:&amp;nbsp; "And the angel of the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt; came again a second time and touched him and said, 'Arise and eat, for the journey is too great for you'" (1&amp;nbsp;Kings 19:7).  This, after Elijah had run a great distance to escape Jezebel's wrath.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-7284680488310326386?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/7284680488310326386/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=7284680488310326386' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/7284680488310326386'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/7284680488310326386'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/08/study-in-depression.html' title='A study in depression'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-8556132491999989399</id><published>2007-08-14T19:01:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-08-14T20:29:59.399-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='prophets'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Isaiah'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='metaphor'/><title type='text'>Hear, O heavens ...</title><content type='html'>&lt;em&gt;Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth;&lt;br /&gt;for the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt; has spoken.&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;(Isaiah 1:2)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;From time to time, the heavens are invoked to listen to someone's testimony:&amp;nbsp; against a sinner (Isaiah&amp;nbsp;1:2 and &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Psalm+50%3A4"&gt;Psalm&amp;nbsp;50:4&lt;/a&gt;; compare &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Job+20%3A27"&gt;Job&amp;nbsp;20:27&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Jeremiah+2%3A11-12"&gt;Jer. 2:11-12&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Jeremiah+51%3A48"&gt;51:48&lt;/a&gt;) or, on one occasion, in praise of YHWH (&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Deuteronomy+32%3A1-3"&gt;Psalm 32:1-3&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let's take a closer look at Isaiah 1:2-3 &amp;mdash;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;for the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt; has spoken:&lt;br /&gt;"Children have I reared and brought up,&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;but they have rebelled against me.&lt;br /&gt;The ox knows its owner,&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;and the donkey its master's crib,&lt;br /&gt;but Israel does not know,&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;my people do not understand."&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;The part about the ox and the donkey is clear enough &amp;mdash; I get the point of that!  But what's this "Hear, O heavens" business?  Walter Brueggemann comments:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The call to heaven and earth is a rhetorical assertion of indignation on Yahweh's part.  Yahweh summons cosmic witnesses to observe the mess that has become of the relationship with "my people."  Because Yahwism is monotheistic, Yahweh cannot summon other gods to observe, and so instead summons the most formidable of creatures, heaven and earth.  Israel's failure in its response to Yahweh is a matter of cosmic concern, now made evident to the whole known world.&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Note Brueggemann's use of the word "rhetorical".  Clearly we're in the realm of metaphor here.  Indeed, the prophets often express their message in poetry:&amp;nbsp; hence modern translations break Isaiah 1:2-3 into eight short lines, instead of a single paragraph.  And note the parallelism (so characteristic of Hebrew poetry) between lines 5 and 6, and again between lines 7 and 8.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If I'm not mistaken, the text is a rudimentary depiction of a courtroom scene.  The heavens and the earth are called in to hear YHWH's testimony against "my people", that they might testify to the rightness of YHWH's verdict against Israel.  This appeal to a "court" is a recurrent rhetorical device in the prophets, and I expect we will encounter it again.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Brueggemann says, "Israel's failure in its response to Yahweh is a matter of cosmic concern, now made evident to the whole known world."  Indeed!  That last phrase, "the whole known world," interprets &lt;em&gt;the heavens and the earth&lt;/em&gt; in its standard sense, "the entirety of the cosmos".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In my opinion, the opening chapter of Isaiah is one of the most powerful, and terrible, texts in all of scripture.  It reduces me alternately to terror and to tears.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;God have mercy on the Church when inevitably we follow Israel down her backsliding path!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;~~~~~~~~~~~~~&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;Unless otherwise indicated, scripture is quoted from &lt;strong&gt;The Holy Bible&lt;/strong&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/preface/"&gt;English Standard Version&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;Walter Brueggemann, &lt;em&gt;Isaiah 1-39&lt;/em&gt;, Westminster John Knox Press, 1998, &lt;em&gt;ad loc.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-8556132491999989399?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/8556132491999989399/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=8556132491999989399' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/8556132491999989399'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/8556132491999989399'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/08/hear-o-heavens.html' title='Hear, O heavens ...'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-892145685454062919</id><published>2007-08-03T07:41:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-08-16T16:08:29.099-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bible'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Walter Brueggemann'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='prophets'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='historical criticism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='narrative criticism'/><title type='text'>The "Uh-oh" principle, part 2: Poetic justice in the prophets</title><content type='html'>I've decided to write two more posts on the David and Bathsheba story.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First, in this post, I want to explore a concept that Walter Brueggemann flags as a core element of rhetorical criticism.  Brueggemann maintains that there is a very close relation between &lt;em&gt;what&lt;/em&gt; gets said (the message of the text) and &lt;em&gt;how&lt;/em&gt; it gets said (the literary or rhetorical techniques utilized by the author).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But let's quote Brueggeman himself on the subject.  Here he is, contrasting historical criticism with rhetorical criticism:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Historical criticism, as it has come to be practiced, has been notorious for its lack of interest in the actual expression of the text itself.  Indeed, the primary references for historical criticism characteristically are outside the text or, as is often said now, "behind the text" in the historical process. &amp;hellip;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The commentaries are characteristically occupied with sorting out what is "genuine" in the text and with identifying parallels in other cultures.  Such treatment of the text does not at all attend to the statements of the text itself, but is in effect a sustained raid on the text, looking for clues that support historical reconstruction. &amp;hellip;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Rhetorical criticism is a method that insists that &lt;em&gt;how&lt;/em&gt; what is said is crucial and definitive for &lt;em&gt;what&lt;/em&gt; is said, so that the theology of the Old Testament does not trade in a set of normative ideas that may be said in many ways, but in a particular utterance that is spoken and/or written in a certain way.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is now agreed that the primary impetus for rhetorical criticism as an intentional Old Testament enterprise stems from the address of James Muilenburg, "Form Criticism and Beyond," presented in 1968 and published in 1969. &amp;hellip;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Muilenburg almost single-handedly made credible the practice of close reading, whereby one notices the detail of the text, such as word patterns and arrangements, the use of key words in repetition, the careful placement of prepositions and conjunctions, and the reiteration of sounds of certain consonants. &amp;hellip; He held that such detail in the text is characteristically intentional, and that the force of the text cannot be understood apart from noticing such detail.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Brueggemann, &lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;Theology of the Old Testament: Testimony, dispute, advocacy&lt;/span&gt;, Fortress Press, 1997, pp. 53-55.)&lt;/blockquote&gt;I am attracted to rhetorical criticism, in part because it puts evangelicals and liberals on common ground, at least to a significant extent.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To be clear, Brueggemann does not suppose that everything in the text is historical, or that the various Old Testament texts agree with one another.  On the contrary, he maintains that scripture speaks with many voices:&amp;nbsp; there are diverse agendas at work in the texts as they have been handed down to us.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But insofar as rhetorical criticism &lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;begins with the text as it appears in the Bible&lt;/span&gt;, seeking meaning in (not behind) the text, evangelicals will find the method amenable.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Personally, I am at a disadvantage because I do not know Hebrew.  Many of the details of importance to Muilenburg do not carry over into an English translation.  But some of them do, so we will work with such details as are present to us.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With this method in mind, let's take another look at 2 Samuel 12.  I'm using a different format this time, highlighting certain keywords:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;(&lt;em&gt;past experience of God's grace&lt;/em&gt;)&lt;br /&gt;Thus says the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt;, the God of Israel, "I anointed you king over Israel, and I delivered you out of the hand of Saul.  And I gave you your master's house and your master's &lt;span style="background-color:#FFA07A;"&gt;wives&lt;/span&gt; into your arms and gave you the house of Israel and of Judah. And if this were too little, I would add to you as much more.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(&lt;em&gt;present moral failure&lt;/em&gt;)&lt;br /&gt;Why have you despised the word of the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt;, to do what is evil in his sight? You have struck down Uriah the Hittite with the &lt;span style="background-color:#ADD8E6;"&gt;sword&lt;/span&gt; and have taken his &lt;span style="background-color:#FFA07A;"&gt;wife&lt;/span&gt; to be your &lt;span style="background-color:#FFA07A;"&gt;wife&lt;/span&gt; and have killed him with the &lt;span style="background-color:#ADD8E6;"&gt;sword&lt;/span&gt; of the Ammonites.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(&lt;em&gt;impending consequences&lt;/em&gt;)&lt;br /&gt;Now therefore the &lt;span style="background-color:#ADD8E6;"&gt;sword&lt;/span&gt; shall never depart from your house, because you have despised me and have taken the &lt;span style="background-color:#FFA07A;"&gt;wife&lt;/span&gt; of Uriah the Hittite to be your &lt;span style="background-color:#FFA07A;"&gt;wife&lt;/span&gt;."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thus says the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt;, "Behold, I will raise up evil against you out of your own house. And I will take your &lt;span style="background-color:#FFA07A;"&gt;wives&lt;/span&gt; before your eyes and give them to your neighbor, and he shall lie with your &lt;span style="background-color:#FFA07A;"&gt;wives&lt;/span&gt; in the sight of this sun.  For you did it secretly, but I will do this thing before all Israel and before the sun."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(2 Samuel 12:7b-12)&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;The reader should note the pattern that emerges when the text is colour-coded in this way.  The word "wife" recurs in all three sections of the text (past experience of God's grace, present moral failure, and impending consequences).  The word "sword" appears in the latter two sections.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Rhetorical criticism tells us to be alert to the repetition of keywords.  The literary technique is a clue to the meaning of the text.  In this case, it tells us something interesting about the worldview of the author:&amp;nbsp; what I have called "poetic justice" in the title of this post.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;David sins with Uriah's &lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;wife&lt;/span&gt; (present moral failure), even though YHWH has already provided him with &lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;wives&lt;/span&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; (past experience of God's grace); poetic justice deems that his own &lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;wives&lt;/span&gt; will be taken by another man (impending consequences).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;David uses the &lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;sword&lt;/span&gt; to rid himself of a problem (present moral failure); poetic justice deems that David's kingdom will never be free of the &lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;sword&lt;/span&gt; (impending consequences).  (That is, Israel will never be at peace with its neighbours while David is king.)&lt;/ul&gt;The idea of poetic justice is found not only here, in Nathan's oracle to David, but elsewhere in the prophets as well.  It seems to be an important element of the prophetic worldview.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Klaus Koch describes this phenomenon in an evocative way.  He is commenting on Jeremiah 1:13-16 &amp;mdash;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The word of the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt; came to me a second time, saying, "What do you see?" And I said, "I see a boiling pot, facing away from the north."  Then the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt; said to me, "Out of the north disaster [literally, &lt;span style="background-color:#ADD8E6;"&gt;evil&lt;/span&gt;] shall be let loose upon all the inhabitants of the land.  For behold, I am calling all the tribes of the kingdoms of the north, declares the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt;, and they shall come, and every one shall set his throne at the entrance of the gates of Jerusalem, against all its walls all around and against all the cities of Judah.  And I will declare my judgments against them, for all their &lt;span style="background-color:#ADD8E6;"&gt;evil&lt;/span&gt; in forsaking me. They have made offerings to other gods and worshiped the works of their own hands.&lt;/blockquote&gt;This text is not laid out in the same neat pattern as the one in 2&amp;nbsp;Samuel 12.  There is no mention of God's prior grace to Israel.  Moreover, the "present moral failure" is the last element mentioned.  Israel's moral failure consists of forsaking YHWH to worship idols:&amp;nbsp; "&amp;hellip; all their evil in forsaking me.  They have made offerings to other gods and worshiped the works of their own hands."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Even though the pattern is not as tidy, we see a similar repetition of a keyword:&amp;nbsp; &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;evil&lt;/span&gt;.  Israel has committed evil, and evil (calamity) will be turned back upon Israel.  Here's what Koch says:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;In the prophetic genres, key words generally form the pivot in the logical progression from the 'now' to the 'impending'. &amp;hellip; The word &lt;em&gt;ra'a&lt;/em&gt; [evil] is used ninety times in [Jeremiah] and becomes the common denominator, both for human transgression that has already taken place and for a catastrophe that is going to break in from outside. &amp;hellip;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For the prophet, &lt;em&gt;ra'a&lt;/em&gt; is not an abstract power.  It is an aura, with effects on the world, an aura encircling the particular agent, who brings about his own destiny.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Klaus Koch, &lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;The Prophets II: The Babylonian and Persian periods&lt;/span&gt;, Fortress Press, 1982, p. 20.)&lt;/blockquote&gt;This is an evocative picture:&amp;nbsp; an &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;aura of evil&lt;/span&gt; surrounding Israel which then &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;attracts evil&lt;/span&gt; upon Israel.  In the same way, David's aura of adultery or his aura of "the use of the sword" attracted precisely those consequences upon him in punishment.  It is poetic justice.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm not convinced that we should take Koch's description at face value.  It might better be understood as a metaphor rather than a literal, Magical Mystery principle of the cosmos.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Regardless, our rhetorical analysis of these two texts leads to an enriched understanding of the "Uh-oh" principle.  When people do evil, "Uh-oh!" &amp;mdash; that same evil will be turned back on their heads.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Next up: a consideration of Bathsheba's voicelessness in the 2&amp;nbsp;Samuel 11-12 narrative.  Whereas the first two posts have been evangelical in their treatment of the text, the third post will explicitly adopt a critical perspective.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img alt="Creative Commons License" style="border-width:0" src="http://i.creativecommons.org/l/by-nc-nd/3.0/80x15.png" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font size="1"&gt;This work is licensed under a &lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;Creative Commons Licence&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;~~~~~~~~~~~~~&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;Unless otherwise indicated, scripture is quoted from &lt;strong&gt;The Holy Bible&lt;/strong&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/preface/"&gt;English Standard Version&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;YHWH's assertion, "I gave you &amp;hellip; your master's wives into your arms" is odd:&amp;nbsp; we're not told any such thing in the narrative where David assumes the throne.  However: (1) it was customary in that era for a new king to take the former king's wives, perhaps as a symbol of his succession to the former king's place; (2) &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=1+Samuel+25%3A43"&gt;David&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=1+Samuel+14%3A50"&gt;Saul&lt;/a&gt; both had a wife named Ahinoam, although we can't be certain that it is the same woman in both references.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-892145685454062919?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/892145685454062919/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=892145685454062919' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/892145685454062919'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/892145685454062919'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/08/uh-oh-principle-part-2-poetic-justice.html' title='The &quot;Uh-oh&quot; principle, part 2: Poetic justice in the prophets'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-5183655108099805741</id><published>2007-07-29T17:00:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-08-16T16:08:58.833-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='prophets'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='grace'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sin'/><title type='text'>The "Uh-oh" principle: sin and its consequences</title><content type='html'>The world of the Old Testament has a predictable moral order.  Good deeds turn God into an ally, resulting in spiritual and material gains.  Conversely, bad deeds turn God into an adversary, resulting in spiritual and material losses.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Moral cause and effect are rarely so straightforward in the "real" world, the world of our personal experience.  Nonetheless, the Old Testament insists that the moral order exists, even if our personal experience often contradicts it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With the negative part of the cycle in mind, we might speak of the "Uh-oh" principle.  Sin has negative consequences.  If you do the crime, "Uh-oh!" &amp;mdash; you're gonna do the time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;Strong&gt;David's sin and its consequences:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Which brings us to 2 Samuel 11-12, which tells the story of David's great moral failure and its tragic consequences.  I won't display the whole text, but here's a summary of 2 Samuel 11:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;David commits adultery with Bathsheba, who becomes pregnant as a result (&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=2+Sam+11%3A1-5"&gt;vss.&amp;nbsp;1-5&lt;/a&gt;);&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;David attempts to manipulate Uriah (Bathsheba's husband) so that he will later assume the baby is his (&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=2+Sam+11%3A6-13"&gt;vss.&amp;nbsp;6-13&lt;/a&gt;.  Verse 8, "wash your feet", evidently is a euphemism for "enjoy the pleasures of your wife's company".);&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;When David's first scheme fails, he resorts to more drastic measures:&amp;nbsp; he arranges for Uriah to be killed in battle. (&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=2+Sam+11%3A14-27"&gt;vss.&amp;nbsp;14-27&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/ul&gt;The chapter ends with the ominous words, "The thing that David had done displeased the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt;."&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;Uh-oh&lt;/em&gt;.  The reader who is familiar with the Old Testament worldview knows:&amp;nbsp; David is in deep doo-doo.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sure enough, the prophet Nathan turns up at the palace door.&lt;Sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;  He bears bad news:&amp;nbsp; somewhere in David's kingdom, someone has committed a grave injustice:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;And the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt; sent Nathan to David. He came to him and said to him, "There were two men in a certain city, the one rich and the other poor.  The rich man had very many flocks and herds, but the poor man had nothing but one little ewe lamb, which he had bought. And he brought it up, and it grew up with him and with his children. It used to eat of his morsel and drink from his cup and lie in his arms, and it was like a daughter to him.  Now there came a traveler to the rich man, and he was unwilling to take one of his own flock or herd to prepare for the guest who had come to him, but he took the poor man's lamb and prepared it for the man who had come to him."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then David's anger was greatly kindled against the man, and he said to Nathan, "As the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt; lives, the man who has done this deserves to die, and he shall restore the lamb fourfold, because he did this thing, and because he had no pity."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nathan said to David, "You are the man!" (2Sa.&amp;nbsp;12:1-7a)&lt;/blockquote&gt;David stood self-condemned.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So do we all.  It isn't just that we violate other people's standards; we violate our own.  It is a demoralizing fact of life.  I suspect most of us have shed tears at one time or another when we found ourselves in David's shoes:&amp;nbsp; self-condemned.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We resist the truth, of course.  We stretch our principles as taut as a high wire when we pass judgement on other people's conduct, and we slacken them into mere skipping ropes to evade the truth of our own misconduct.  That's why Nathan dressed up his message in the form of a parable &amp;mdash; to circumvent David's defence mechanisms.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And then Nathan tightened the noose:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;table border="3" cellpadding="6"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td align="center"&gt;past&amp;nbsp;experience&lt;br&gt;of&amp;nbsp;God's&amp;nbsp;grace&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;Thus says the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt;, the God of Israel, "I anointed you king over Israel, and I delivered you out of the hand of Saul.  And I gave you your master's house and your master's wives into your arms and gave you the house of Israel and of Judah. And if this were too little, I would add to you as much more.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt; &lt;tr&gt;&lt;td align="center"&gt;present&lt;br&gt;moral failure&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;Why have you despised the word of the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt;, to do what is evil in his sight? You have struck down Uriah the Hittite with the sword and have taken his wife to be your wife and have killed him with the sword of the Ammonites.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt; &lt;tr&gt;&lt;td align="center"&gt;impending&lt;br&gt;consequences&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;Now therefore the sword shall never depart from your house, because you have despised me and have taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your wife."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thus says the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt;, "Behold, I will raise up evil against you out of your own house. And I will take your wives before your eyes and give them to your neighbor, and he shall lie with your wives in the sight of this sun.  For you did it secretly, but I will do this thing before all Israel and before the sun."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt;." And Nathan said to David, "The L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt; also has put away your sin; you shall not die.  Nevertheless, because by this deed you have utterly scorned the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt;, the child who is born to you shall die." (2Sa.&amp;nbsp;12:7b-14)&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have displayed the text as a table to supply an outline for Nathan's oracle.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We have already discussed the second and third segments of the outline.  David's sin ("present moral failure") turns God into an adversary, resulting in spiritual and material losses ("impending consequences").  It is the "Uh-oh" principle at work.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But there's another factor here that must not be overlooked.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;Strong&gt;God's grace toward David:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nathan's starting point is David's past experience of God's grace.  The Lord tells David, &lt;em&gt;I blessed you very greatly in the past, and I would have gladly continued doing so&lt;/em&gt;.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;God always makes the first move.  God's grace is the foundation of the biblical worldview:&amp;nbsp; everything else rests on it.  It isn't always mentioned explicitly, as it is here; but it is present in the background of every biblical command and every biblical narrative.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I can't emphasize this point too strongly.  You will misunderstand the Bible if you don't begin here.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The religion of ancient Israel was, like Christianity, a religion of grace.  To be sure, the Old Testament strongly emphasizes obedience to the Law of Moses.  But Israel's obedience to the Law is properly set in the context of God's grace.&lt;Sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nathan evaluates David's disobedience from the same perspective.  He considers David's sin in the context of God's grace, and concludes that David has shown contempt for the Lord (12:9, 10, 14).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In accordance with the "Uh-oh" principle,  David suffers terrible consequences for his sins:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;"the sword shall never depart from your house";&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;"I will raise up evil against you out of your own house. And I will take your wives before your eyes and give them to your neighbor, and he shall lie with your wives" (a reference to the rebellion of David's son, Absalom (see &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=2+Samuel+16%3A22"&gt;2Sa.&amp;nbsp;16:22&lt;/a&gt;), which forced David to flee for his life and ended with Absalom's death);&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;"the child who is born to you shall die".&lt;/ul&gt;These are terrible consequences.  Even so, David doesn't quite get what's coming to him.&lt;Sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt;  The penalty for adultery in the Old Testament is &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Leviticus+20%3A10"&gt;death&lt;/a&gt;.  The penalty for murder is &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Genesis+9%3A6"&gt;death&lt;/a&gt;.  And note David's spontaneous response to Nathan's parable:&amp;nbsp; "the man who has done this deserves to die."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thus David deserves to die.  But in the last few sentences of the narrative, God's grace reasserts itself.  Nathan's message is delivered so effectively that David repents on the spot:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;Blockquote&gt;David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt;." And Nathan said to David, "The L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt; also has put away your sin; you shall not die.&lt;/blockquote&gt;We might say that God's grace is the Alpha and the Omega of Nathan's oracle.  Nathan's opening statement rehearses God's grace toward David, and his closing statement promises a further manifestation of grace in response to David's repentance.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;Strong&gt;Conclusion: the "too good to be true" principle&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The "Uh-oh" principle is not the only power at work here.  The principle of God's grace shields David from the full application of the "Uh-oh" principle.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;David's transgressions were extremely grave and the consequences were necessarily grave as well.  Even the principle of God's grace didn't allow David to get off scot-free.  But David's life is spared.  And he is allowed to remain king.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We might call this the "too good to be true" principle.  I'm thinking of those occasions when someone does something extraordinarily generous for you.  Your emotional response may be, &lt;em&gt;Is this for real?  It's simply too good to be true!&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The idea of extraordinary generosity is beautifully illustrated in one of Jesus' sayings:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven; give, and it will be given to you. &lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;Good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap.&lt;/span&gt; For with the measure you use it will be measured back to you. (Luke&amp;nbsp;6:37-38; emphasis added)&lt;/blockquote&gt;Imagine that you are purchasing a bushel of wheat.  The shopkeeper fills a bushel measure and then says, "That's not generous enough!". So he shakes the basket to get the wheat to settle; then he presses the wheat down into the basket to make room for more; and finally he keeps pouring until the wheat overflows.  This is extraordinary generosity indeed &amp;mdash; why, it's too good to be true!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That's Jesus' description of God's grace toward us.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;David paid a terrible price for his sins.  It's difficult to say &lt;em&gt;too good to be true&lt;/em&gt; in his case.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And yet &amp;hellip; David's life and his throne were preserved.  At least in part, the "too good to be true" principle shielded David against the full application of the "Uh-oh" principle.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The same two principles are at work in our lives, even if our perception of them is dim.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(More to come: I intend to take another run at this text to analyse it from a different perspective.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img alt="Creative Commons License" style="border-width:0" src="http://i.creativecommons.org/l/by-nc-nd/3.0/80x15.png" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font size="1"&gt;This work is licensed under a &lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;Creative Commons Licence&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;~~~~~~~~~~~~~&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;Unless otherwise indicated, scripture is quoted from &lt;strong&gt;The Holy Bible&lt;/strong&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/preface/"&gt;English Standard Version&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;An aside:&amp;nbsp; I don't believe it's necessary to assume a direct revelation of David's sin from the Lord to Nathan.  Various people would have been aware of Bathsheba's visit to the palace (beginning with the messengers who approached her at David's behest) and David's subsequent machinations with Uriah.  It would be enough information to start tongues wagging, so that a rumour might find its way to Nathan.  In general, I think it is accurate to say that the prophets began with a known incident into which God gave them heightened insight.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;Sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt;This is the great insight of E.P. Sanders (&lt;strong&gt;Paul and Palestinian Judaism: A Comparison of Patterns of Religion&lt;/strong&gt;) who broke the mould of New Testament interpretation in 1977.   Before Sanders, generations of scholars had caricatured Judaism as a legalistic religion, utilizing it as a foil against which to praise the superiority of Christianity as a religion of grace.  The contrast is not completely unfounded, but the difference is not nearly as stark as Christians popularly suppose.  Two texts from Deuteronomy are of particular note.  They are downright insulting in making the point that Israel's election was an act of grace:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;It was not because you were more in number than any other people that the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt; set his love on you and chose you, for you were the fewest of all peoples, but it is because the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt; loves you and is keeping the oath that he swore to your fathers. (7:7-8)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Do not say in your heart, after the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt; your God has thrust them out before you, "It is because of my righteousness that the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt; has brought me in to possess this land," whereas it is because of the wickedness of these nations that the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt; is driving them out before you.  Not because of your righteousness or the uprightness of your heart are you going in to possess their land, but because of the wickedness of these nations the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt; your God is driving them out from before you, and that he may confirm the word that the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt; swore to your fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob.  Know, therefore, that the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt; your God is not giving you this good land to possess because of your righteousness, for you are a stubborn people.  Remember and do not forget how you provoked the L&lt;font size="1"; style="text-transform: uppercase"&gt;ord&lt;/font&gt; your God to wrath in the wilderness. (9:4-7a)&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;Sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt;Arguably, Bathsheba suffers relatively more than David.  It isn't clear to me that she was in a position to refuse the king's advances.  She might have been acting out of (implicit) compulsion, in which case she was essentially innocent of wrongdoing.   Her husband was murdered (presumably she loved him), and then her baby died.  In sum, she paid a heavy price for being the object of the king's desire.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-5183655108099805741?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/5183655108099805741/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=5183655108099805741' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/5183655108099805741'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/5183655108099805741'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/07/uh-oh-principle-sin-and-its.html' title='The &quot;Uh-oh&quot; principle: sin and its consequences'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-1668042894842549625</id><published>2007-07-24T21:05:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-07-24T21:12:27.073-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Paul'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gospels'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Jesus'/><title type='text'>Did St. Paul corrupt the teaching of Jesus?</title><content type='html'>&lt;blockquote&gt;Paul was the … first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus.&lt;br /&gt;(Thomas Jefferson, Letter to William Short, 1820)&lt;/blockquote&gt;The above quote is from a post on &lt;a href="http://de-conversion.com/2007/07/22/declaring-war-on-saint-paul/"&gt;deConversion.com&lt;/a&gt;.  The topic possesses perennial interest, and I strongly disagree with the stand taken by Thinking Ape.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I decided to address it on my other blog, &lt;a href="http://itsmypulp.wordpress.com/2007/07/24/did-st-paul-corrupt-the-teaching-of-jesus/"&gt;Outside the Box&lt;/a&gt;, because it reaches a broader readership (i.e., including non-Christians).&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-1668042894842549625?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/1668042894842549625/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=1668042894842549625' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/1668042894842549625'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/1668042894842549625'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/07/did-st-paul-corrupt-teaching-of-jesus.html' title='Did St. Paul corrupt the teaching of Jesus?'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-400865714963582957</id><published>2007-07-17T19:47:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-08-16T16:09:28.628-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bible'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='homosexuality'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Walter Brueggemann'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='ethics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Jesus'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Pharisees'/><title type='text'>Holiness, justice, and same sex marriage</title><content type='html'>This is a follow-up to the previous post, where I quoted Walter Brueggemann:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Sinai interpretation goes in two directions:  holiness and justice.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The prophetic books:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Later in his survey of the Old Testament, Brueggemann points out that this dual emphasis carries over into the prophetic books.  For example, Isaiah elevates justice above piety:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"What to me is the multitude of your sacrifices?"&lt;br /&gt;says the Lord;&lt;br /&gt;"I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams&lt;br /&gt;and the fat of well-fed beasts;&lt;br /&gt;I do not delight in the blood of bulls,&lt;br /&gt;or of lambs, or of goats. &amp;hellip;&lt;br /&gt;Your new moons and your appointed feasts&lt;br /&gt;my soul hates;&lt;br /&gt;they have become a burden to me;&lt;br /&gt;I am weary of bearing them. &amp;hellip;&lt;br /&gt;Your hands are full of blood.&lt;br /&gt;Wash yourselves; make yourselves clean;&lt;br /&gt;remove the evil of your deeds from before my eyes;&lt;br /&gt;cease to do evil,&lt;br /&gt;learn to do good;&lt;br /&gt;seek justice,&lt;br /&gt;correct oppression;&lt;br /&gt;bring justice to the fatherless,&lt;br /&gt;plead the widow's cause." (Isaiah 1:11-17&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;)&lt;/blockquote&gt;The social justice orientation of the prophets is familiar to us.  But Brueggemann points out that the prophet Ezekiel fits into the other category:&amp;nbsp; he is a "&lt;a href="http://www.fpcknox.org/audio/brueggemann/"&gt;holiness guy&lt;/a&gt;".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ezekiel 8 describes various abominations by which the Temple is desecrated.  In reaction, the L&lt;sub&gt;ORD&lt;/sub&gt;'s glory leaves the temple by stages:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Successive steps are marked in His departure; so slowly and reluctantly does the merciful God leave His house. First He leaves the sanctuary (Ezekiel 9:3); He elevates His throne above the threshold of the house (Ezekiel 10:1); leaving the cherubim He sits on the throne (Ezekiel 10:4); He and the cherubim, after standing for a time at the door of the east gate (where was the exit to the lower court of the people), leave the house altogether (Ezekiel 10:18,19), not to return till Ezekiel 43:2.&lt;br /&gt;(&lt;a href="http://bible.crosswalk.com/Commentaries/JamiesonFaussetBrown/jfb.cgi?book=eze&amp;chapter=10#Eze10_18"&gt;Jamieson Fausset Brown&lt;/a&gt; commentary)&lt;/blockquote&gt;Brueggemann &lt;a href="http://www.fpcknox.org/audio/brueggemann/"&gt;comments&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;In Ezekiel, it's not Israel that goes into exile, it's God, because God can't stay there.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&amp;mdash; i.e., in a polluted Temple.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thus, on the one hand, there is Isaiah's emphasis on social justice; while on the other hand, there is Ezekiel's emphasis on holiness.  This is the same duality Brueggemann pointed out in the previous post, with reference to Leviticus and Deuteronomy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The Gospels:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The same duality then carries over into the New Testament texts:&amp;nbsp; in particular, the Gospels.  Jesus was primarily concerned about justice whereas the Pharisees were primarily concerned about holiness:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;And as [Jesus] reclined at table in [Levi's] house, many tax collectors and sinners were reclining with Jesus and his disciples, for there were many who followed him.  And the scribes of the Pharisees, when they saw that he was eating with sinners and tax collectors, said to his disciples, "Why does he eat with tax collectors and sinners?"  And when Jesus heard it, he said to them, "Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners." (Mark 2:15-17)&lt;/blockquote&gt;Here we see that Jesus was inclusive (tax collectors and sinners were welcome to join his community) whereas the Pharisees were exclusive:&amp;nbsp; they maintained a strict separation from tax collectors and sinners in order to avoid contracting uncleanness.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I maintain that the Pharisees are portrayed in a very unsympathetic light in the Gospels.  Christians should not assume that we are given a full, unbiased picture; rather, we are shown the worst side of Pharisaic religion.&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Consider this:&amp;nbsp; the Pharisees' emphasis on separation and purity has a rich pedigree in the Old Testament and the intertestamental texts.  For example:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;But Daniel resolved that he would not defile himself with the king's food, or with the wine that he drank. &amp;hellip;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Daniel said to the steward] "Test your servants for ten days; let us be given vegetables to eat and water to drink.  Then let our appearance and the appearance of the youths who eat the king's food be observed by you, and deal with your servants according to what you see."  So he listened to them in this matter, and tested them for ten days.  At the end of ten days it was seen that they were better in appearance and fatter in flesh than all the youths who ate the king's food.  So the steward took away their food and the wine they were to drink, and gave them vegetables. (Daniel 1:8-16)&lt;/blockquote&gt;There are a series of texts like this one in the Old Testament and the intertestamental literature:&amp;nbsp; i.e., texts in which people of faith refuse to eat certain foods, or otherwise distinguish themselves from the surrounding pagan community.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thus the Pharisees were not the "bad guys" they are often characterized as from Christian pulpits.  They were trying to be faithful to Israel's holiness tradition, as Orthodox Jews are to this day.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Indeed, the Pharisees tried to uphold priestly standards of purity in their everyday lives per Exodus 19:6, "You shall be to me a kingdom of priests."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jesus took the other path:&amp;nbsp; the path of justice and inclusiveness.  He reached out not only to &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Luke+19%3A1-10"&gt;tax collectors&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Luke+7%3A36-50"&gt;sinners&lt;/a&gt; but to &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Mark+1%3A40-42"&gt;lepers&lt;/a&gt;, the &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Mark+1%3A23-27"&gt;demon-possessed&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Luke+7%3A1-10"&gt;Gentiles&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=John+4%3A4-42"&gt;Samaritans&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Luke+8%3A1-3"&gt;women&lt;/a&gt;, and (not least!) &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Luke+6%3A20"&gt;the poor&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All such individuals were spurned by the Pharisees.  For example, women were assumed to be in a state of continual menstrual impurity.  Thus &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Mark+5%3A25-34"&gt;Mark 5:25-34&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Luke+7%3A36-50"&gt;Luke 7:36-50&lt;/a&gt; are remarkable texts.  On both occasions, Jesus allowed a woman to touch him; in Mark 5, it is explicitly a woman with a flow of blood.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Divorce and homosexuality:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some "liberal" Christians support homosexual rights on the basis of this social justice tradition in the Gospels.  This is an issue that cannot finally be resolved, in my opinion.  (Though I personally support same sex marriage and other rights for gays and lesbians.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On the one hand, we have explicit statements condemning homosexual acts &amp;mdash; not from Jesus, but from Paul.  Thus it is surely a biblical position to argue, from a holiness standpoint, that homosexual acts are not an acceptable practice.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On the other hand, there is Jesus' radical commitment to social justice and inclusiveness.  But let's take a step back, to consider the subject of sexual purity more broadly.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jesus was at his most conservative on the subject of divorce.  Scholars believe that &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Mark+10%3A2-12"&gt;Mark 10&lt;/a&gt; preserves the original form of Jesus' saying on divorce.  That is, Jesus did not make any exceptions:&amp;nbsp; divorce was not permitted even in cases of adultery (contra &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Matthew+19%3A9"&gt;Matthew's version&lt;/a&gt; of the same saying).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Arguably, however, Jesus was not concerned about sexual purity &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;per se&lt;/span&gt;.  When he prohibited divorce, he may have been responding to the vulnerability of women in that society:&amp;nbsp; women were economically dependent on their husbands.  Thus easy access to divorce ("Is it lawful to divorce one's wife &lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;for any cause&lt;/span&gt;?" &amp;mdash; Mt.&amp;nbsp;19:3) was terribly harmful to the interests of women.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jesus never addressed the subject of homosexuality.  The subject presumably wasn't being debated among Jews in that era.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But what would Jesus say if he was facing this issue in contemporary society?  One cannot assume that Jesus would have sided with the "holiness" impulse instead of supporting justice, mercy, and inclusiveness.  That, in effect, is the stand taken by "liberal" Christians like me, who support rights for homosexuals.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Conclusion:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We might summarize the data like this:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;table border="1"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;th align ="center"&gt;Holiness, separation&amp;nbsp;&lt;/th&gt; &lt;th align ="center"&gt;Justice, inclusiveness&amp;nbsp;&lt;/th&gt;&lt;/tr&gt; &lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;Leviticus&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;Deuteronomy&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt; &lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;Ezekiel&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;Isaiah&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt; &lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;Pharisees&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;Jesus&lt;/td&gt; &lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;some Pauline texts&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;other Pauline texts&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table border="1"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As you can see, Paul is the wild card here.  But I won't attempt to analyze the Pauline texts in this post.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yes, the table represents a simplification of the data.  As I indicated in the previous post, Deuteronomy shows some interest in holiness and Leviticus shows some interest in justice.  But in terms of emphasis, the table is accurate.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I know evangelical readers insist that there is no necessary conflict between the holiness and justice traditions.  But the split between Judaism and Christianity illustrates the powerful centrifugal forces at work here; so does the more recent divide between evangelical Christianity and "liberal" Christianity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the previous post, I maintained that the Church must learn to live with this inescapable tension instead of trying to enforce uniformity.  Jamie &lt;a href="http://itsmypulp.wordpress.com/2007/07/14/the-problem-with-the-ten-commandments/#comment-10338"&gt;responded&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;How, then, would you propose we deal with the issue of homosexual marriage? Surely you can’t support (respect, tolerate) those who oppose these marriages; that would go against your view that such people are propagating an injustice. &amp;hellip;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With gay marriage, there can only be one "right" way. It cannot simultaneously, in the same circumstances, be right both to forbid gay marriage and to embrace it. Nor could God simultaneously both approve of and forbid the practice.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Jamie is right when she asserts that same sex marriage is either right or wrong &amp;mdash; it can't be both.  However, she is wrong to assume that I cannot respect and tolerate the position of Christians like her, who disagree with my conclusions on the issue.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In my view, we cannot finally be certain of the right answer to many of the vexed questions that roil the Church.  To quote Brueggemann once again:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;[The Bible] invites us to do an interpretation &lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;for now&lt;/span&gt;, knowing that we’re going to have to go back to Sinai and do it over again and again and again.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Indeed, I think that figuring out obedience is like having a teenager in the house. Having a teenager means, nothing stays settled. You’ve got to do it all over again.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Sometimes we think a certain issue is settled; but then someone goes back to the scriptures and mounts an argument that we hadn't considered before.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Similarly, a change of social context forces us to reconsider issues that we thought were settled.  The exile forced Israel to reconceptualize its theology.  Likewise, modernity forces the Church to revisit first principles with a fresh perspective.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Every conclusion we reach is provisional.  We must therefore respect and tolerate the convictions of those who think differently than us.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img alt="Creative Commons License" style="border-width:0" src="http://i.creativecommons.org/l/by-nc-nd/3.0/80x15.png" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font size="1"&gt;This work is licensed under a &lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;Creative Commons Licence&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;~~~~~~~~~~~~~&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;Unless otherwise indicated, scripture is quoted from &lt;strong&gt;The Holy Bible&lt;/strong&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/preface/"&gt;English Standard Version&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;After the death of Jesus, the Pharisees became the primary opponents of Christianity.  Some of the conflicts of a later era appear to have been inserted into the Gospels anachronistically.  For example, John 9:22 &amp;mdash; "the Jews had already agreed that if anyone should confess Jesus to be Christ, he was to be put out of the synagogue."  Scholars insist that excommunication from the synagogues was not introduced until several decades after the death of Jesus.  The point is, these later conflicts colour the presentation of the Pharisees in the Gospels.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-400865714963582957?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/400865714963582957/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=400865714963582957' title='11 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/400865714963582957'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/400865714963582957'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/07/inclusive-faith-versus-exclusive-faith.html' title='Holiness, justice, and same sex marriage'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>11</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-7883160001784169654</id><published>2007-07-14T06:19:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-07-14T10:51:12.061-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bible'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Walter Brueggemann'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='ethics'/><title type='text'>The problem with the Ten Commandments</title><content type='html'>A profound insight into scripture, courtesy of Walter Brueggemann:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;What I want you to notice about the Ten Commandments is that it's not very clear what they might mean.  If you're a judge in Alabama you like to think you know exactly what they mean.  But just think of, for example, the commandment, &lt;em&gt;Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy&lt;/em&gt;.  What does that mean?  Well you know Orthodox Jews think it means you can't turn a light on. Etc., etc., etc.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Or &lt;em&gt;Thou shalt not kill&lt;/em&gt;.  Well of course we all agree on that.  Well except maybe capital punishment &amp;hellip; maybe war &amp;hellip; maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe.  Which led very early to the awareness that the Ten Commandments have to be interpreted and therein lies all the problem. &amp;hellip;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Torah commandments invite interpretation that is disputatious and that ends in pluralism.  They didn't all think the same.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let me give you that specifically.  If you read the book of Leviticus (a lot of you have read the book of Leviticus lately?  Hello?).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The book of Leviticus has, as its theme in Leviticus 19:2, &lt;em&gt;You shall be holy as I am holy&lt;/em&gt;.  Holiness, purity, order &amp;mdash; these are rough synonyms &amp;mdash; serenity &amp;hellip;.  It's all about right worship.  If you read the book of Leviticus it's all about how to have holy priests and holy sacrifices and holy offerings and holy shrines and holy bread and holy festivals and holy everything.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Uncontaminated.  This yields a kind of a static notion of worship which arises from Mt. Sinai by people [of sincere faith].&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now if you read the book of Deuteronomy, it has a little bit of this, but not much.  Deuteronomy is really about civic justice.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The particular text that I want to refer you to is Deuteronomy 24:17ff.  It says that when you harvest the grapes of your vineyard, you're going to miss some &amp;mdash; don't go back and pick them up.  Leave them for the widow, the orphan, and the illegal immigrant.  (A translation of "alien" &amp;mdash; those people that didn't belong there.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[The text says the same thing about harvesting olives and grain.]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Scholars say that this provision is the first social welfare program in the history of the world:&amp;nbsp; that society is obligated to make provision for people who do not have economic means.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Extraordinary!  What an incredible moment of interpretation that is all derivative of the Ten Commandments.  I suppose that all comes out of, &lt;em&gt;Thou shalt not covet&lt;/em&gt;.  If you covet, you're taking stuff when you go back that ought to belong to your neighbors.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now what I want you to observe about this is the way the Pentateuch works.  Sinai interpretation goes in two directions:&amp;nbsp; holiness and justice.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have no idea where your congregation is about the gay and lesbian thing in the Church and I don't really want to get into that.  Except to observe that Leviticus 18 and Leviticus 20 are the two texts about homosexuality in the Old Testament.  In between, in Leviticus 19, it says (the verse that Jesus quotes), &lt;em&gt;You shall love your neighbour as yourself&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the current practice of the Church, the holiness tradition is what we have come to call "conservatism".  Deuteronomy is into justice; that's sort of what we've come to call "liberalism".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm wanting you to see that the Sinai obedience and hope is open to huge interpretive possibility.  So what do you hope for?  &lt;em&gt;Well I hope for a society that is pure &amp;mdash; not all this goofiness&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What do you hope for?  &lt;em&gt;I hope for a society in which the poor get their share&lt;/em&gt;. &amp;hellip;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Scripture is complex and plural and they didn't agree from day one.  The extraordinary thing about the Old Testament is that the holiness people were not able to vote the justice people into silence, and the justice people were not able to vote the holiness people into silence.  So some committee (some General Assembly) in ancient Israel said, &lt;em&gt;We're going to put all of this in&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What that means is, our deepest obedience cannot be an absolute norm because it must make room for other serious covenant members who are practising a different obedience. &amp;hellip;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This part of the Bible does not finally permit us to get it right.  It invites us to do an interpretation &lt;strong&gt;for now&lt;/strong&gt;, knowing that we're going to have to go back to Sinai and do it over again and again and again.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Indeed, I think that figuring out obedience is like having a teenager in the house.  Having a teenager means, nothing stays settled.  You've got to do it all over again.  I'm sure that Moses thought he was leading a bunch of teenagers.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The quote is from &lt;a href="http://www.fpcknox.org/audio/brueggemann/"&gt;Brueggeman's lectures on the Old Testament&lt;/a&gt;:&amp;nbsp; specifically, on Exodus (beginning at 12 minutes 30 seconds) and Leviticus (ending at 9 minutes 40 seconds).  I have tidied up the language at various points because speech always has patterns that seem odd when reduced to text.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Note that both Leviticus and Deuteronomy include both holiness and justice elements.  That's the point Brueggemann is making when he quotes Leviticus 19:18, &lt;em&gt;You shall love your neighbor as yourself&lt;/em&gt;.  Sandwiched between two "holiness" texts (which would rid the community of homosexual practices) is this core "justice" text.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Brueggemann reveals his perspective on scripture when he comments, "Some General Assembly in ancient Israel said, &lt;em&gt;We're going to put all of this in&lt;/em&gt;."  In Brueggemann's view, the texts kept evolving long after the death of the original author.  (This is a consensus opinion among scholars.&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;)  Brueggemann's point is, the text evolved in this dual direction:&amp;nbsp; each school of thought made sure its interpretation was represented in successive drafts of the text.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally, I should perhaps apologize for the title of this post, which refers to the "problem" with the Ten Commandments.  It isn't really a problem &lt;strong&gt;except for those who can't cope with the resultant tension&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The tension is permanent and inescapable; God's people must learn to live there, uncomfortable though it may sometimes be.  As Brueggemann says, our deepest obedience cannot finally be reduced to an absolute norm; it must make room for other sincere believers who are practising a different obedience.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(&lt;em&gt;Cross-posted on &lt;a href="http://itsmypulp.wordpress.com/"&gt;Outside the Box&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;~~~~~~~~~~~~~&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;For example,scholars maintain that there are &lt;a href="http://www.earlyjewishwritings.com/isaiah.html"&gt;three "Isaiahs&lt;/a&gt;" represented in the Old Testament book as now stands.  Similar arguments are made for certain New Testament passages:&amp;nbsp; e.g., some scholars (even some evangelical scholars) regard 1Co. 14:33b-36 as an &lt;a href="http://www.womenpriests.org/scriptur/1cor14.asp"&gt;interpolation&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-7883160001784169654?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/7883160001784169654/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=7883160001784169654' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/7883160001784169654'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/7883160001784169654'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/07/problem-with-ten-commandments.html' title='The problem with the Ten Commandments'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-3742798759413865108</id><published>2007-07-09T18:38:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-08-16T16:10:20.123-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bible'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='atheism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Jeremiah'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='capitalism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='democracy'/><title type='text'>Our Need to Heed God's Word(Jeremiah 36)</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;The sermon I preached yesterday at St. Andrews United Church in Peterborough, reformatted as an essay.  (More or less.)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Introduction:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We are about to do something we should never take for granted:&amp;nbsp; read a text from God’s word.  We read it reverently, believing God can speak to us through it.  We read it expectantly, believing it is replete with wisdom.  We may or may not "catch" its wisdom; but if we do not, it is our failure, not a failure of God's word.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The cover says this is the "Holy Bible" – a description that puzzled me when I was younger.  &lt;em&gt;How can a book be holy?&lt;/em&gt;, I wondered.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The root meaning of the word "holy" is "different".  When we say that God is "holy", we mean that God is not like us.  Theologians refer to the "otherness of God"; "&lt;a href="http://www.youthspecialties.com/articles/topics/spirituality/tuning_in.php"&gt;otherness" = "holiness&lt;/a&gt;".  The Bible is "holy" in the same way:&amp;nbsp; it is unlike any other book.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All Christians affirm that fact.  Some churches teach that the Bible is inerrant.  Other churches maintain that the Bible is a human word as well as a divine word.  The human element leads to some internal contradictions and errors of fact.  Nonetheless, God still speaks to us through the Bible.  All Christians agree that this book is unlike any other.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The text:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The text we are about to read is not merely a text &lt;em&gt;from&lt;/em&gt; the Bible, but a text &lt;em&gt;about&lt;/em&gt; the Bible.  At the beginning of Jeremiah 36, the Lord tells Jeremiah to take a scroll and write down the Lord's words.  Jeremiah was evidently wealthy enough to employ a scribe, Baruch.  So Jeremiah dictates the Lord's words to his scribe.  It is the first edition of the book of Jeremiah; interestingly, it is written during the prophet's own lifetime.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jeremiah sends Baruch to the temple to read the scroll.  One official (Micaiah) recognizes the importance of his words and calls all the other officials together.  The officials respond in three ways:&lt;br /&gt;(1) They are filled with dread;&lt;br /&gt;(2) "We must tell the king";&lt;br /&gt;(3) "Baruch and Jeremiah – go hide".&lt;br /&gt;The third point makes clear that the officials are supportive of Jeremiah's message.  They anticipate trouble when the king learns of the scroll, and they seek to protect Jeremiah and Baruch.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ultimately, the scroll is ushered into the presence of the king.  Note the progression:  first there is Jeremiah and the Lord; then Jeremiah, Baruch, and the scroll; then just Baruch and the scroll; and finally just the scroll.  The prophet drops out of the picture altogether, and we are left with only the written text.  Hence my comment, this is not merely a text &lt;em&gt;from&lt;/em&gt; the Bible, but a text &lt;em&gt;about &lt;/em&gt; the Bible.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here is the key portion of the chapter (Jeremiah 36:21-26):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Jehudi [one of King Jehoiakim's officials] read the scroll to the king and all the officials who stood beside the king. It was the ninth month, and the king was sitting in the winter house, and there was a fire burning in the fire pot before him. As Jehudi read three or four columns, the king would cut them off with a knife and throw them into the fire in the fire pot, until the entire scroll was consumed in the fire that was in the fire pot. Yet neither the king nor any of his servants who heard all these words was afraid, nor did they tear their garments.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Even when Elnathan and Delaiah and Gemariah urged the king not to burn the scroll, he would not listen to them. And the king commanded Jerahmeel the king's son and Seraiah the son of Azriel and Shelemiah the son of Abdeel to seize Baruch the secretary and Jeremiah the prophet, but the Lord hid them.&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;1. King Jehoiakim’s reaction:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(a) &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;King Jehoiakim needs to heed God's word&lt;/span&gt; &amp;hellip;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;King Jehoiakim needs to heed God's word.  We, the readers of the book of Jeremiah, know how the story ends.  In 587 BC, the Babylonians swept down from the north and conquered Jerusalem.  The nobility was sent into exile in Babylon.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The reader is given this information at the very beginning of the book.  Jeremiah 1:1-3 &amp;mdash; "The words of Jeremiah" who ministered during the reign of this king and that king "until the captivity of Jerusalem".  Those words hang over the whole book of Jeremiah as a harbinger of doom.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The reader understands that it didn't have to be that way.  History could have been different, if only King Jehoiakim had heeded the Lord's message through Jeremiah!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(b) &amp;hellip; &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;But King Jehoiakim is unimpressed&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But King Jehoiakim does not heed the warning:&amp;nbsp; he is unimpressed by Jeremiah's word.  Vs. 24 – "They were not afraid, nor did they tear their clothes."  There's a pun in the Hebrew text:  it says that the king "tore" the scroll with his knife.  Same Hebrew word:&amp;nbsp; he did not tear his clothes; he tore the scroll instead.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here's what amazes me about this chapter:&amp;nbsp; the king lets Jehudi read the whole scroll.  Why not stop him after the first two sentences?  The king is already familiar with the sorts of things that Jeremiah says.  Jeremiah and Jehoiakim have a prior history.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In fact, Jeremiah was under a kind of restraining order.  Vs. 5, "I am banned from going to the house of the Lord."  That's why Jeremiah disappears from the scene and Baruch reads the scroll in the Temple.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The king doesn't have to listen to every word of the scroll to learn Jeremiah's thoughts.  But he acts out this elaborate ritual:&amp;nbsp; he allows Jehudi to read every word of the scroll (however long it is &amp;mdash; we don't know its contents).  He destroys the scroll one strip at a time.  The ritual impresses upon all the king's officials that King Jehoiakim is completely contemptuous of Jeremiah's words.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(c) &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;King Jeohoiakim's insurance policy&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why is King Jehoiakim so complacent? He thinks he has an insurance policy.  Even better than an insurance policy:&amp;nbsp; you only collect insurance after disaster has struck.  King Jehoiakim believed he had a source of security that guaranteed no disaster would ever befall Jeruslem.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jeremiah 7:4 &amp;mdash; The Lord says, "Do not trust in these deceptive words: 'This is the temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord'."  The king and the priests believed that nothing bad could ever happen to Jerusalem because the temple was located there.  They knew from Israel's history that the Lord would fight to protect his temple.  And so they believed (mistakenly, tragically) that they could ignore Jeremiah's warning with impunity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(d) &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Even though King Jehoiakim is unimpressed, he destroys the scroll&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;King Jehoiakim is unimpressed by Jeremiah's warning; nonetheless he destroys the scroll.  This is paradoxical:&amp;nbsp; if the scroll was so contemptible, why go to the trouble of destroying it?  King Jehoiakim was undisturbed ("he did not tear his clothes") but he was afraid that the people might be disturbed by Jeremiah's message.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;2. The secular West's reaction:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(a) &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;The West is unimpressed with God’s word&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The secular West has a parallel response to God's word.  First, like King Jehoiakim, the secular West is unimpressed with it.  The West doesn't regard it as the "holy" Bible.  They believe the Bible is a book just like any other.  In no sense is it God's word:&amp;nbsp; it's just a book written by men, full of opinions that are now outdated and which we know to be false.  The West does not believe that the Bible is replete with wisdom &amp;mdash; that they need to attend to its message and learn from it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(b) &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;The West has an insurance policy&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Second, like King Jehoiakim, the West has an insurance policy &amp;mdash; an alternate source of security.  Reason, education, science, the scientific method, democracy, capitalism &amp;mdash; these are the great institutions of the West, in which people place their trust.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don't mean to speak ill of those institutions.  I would rather live in a democracy than under any other kind of government.  And I am grateful to receive the benefits of modern science:&amp;nbsp; e.g., when I'm sick.  But ultimately these western institutions are a false source of security.  In that respect, they are comparable to Jehoiakim's great institution, the Temple of the Lord.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am amazed by the overinflated confidence secular people have in their institutions.  E.g., potential environmental catastrophe.  People maintain, &lt;em&gt;Capitalism is the source of the problem; but it will also solve the problem&lt;/em&gt;!  Likewise, science / technology – the source of the environmental problem, but also regarded as its solution!  The assumption is, no environmental calamity will come upon us because our great institutions will keep us secure.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(c) &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Even though the West is unimpressed, some seek to destroy the Bible&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Third, like King Jehoiakim, the West &amp;mdash; at least, some people in the West &amp;mdash; are determined to destroy the Bible.   This has almost become a publishing industry unto itself.  I know of five books released in the past 12 months devoted to this topic.  It is King Jehoiakim all over again, tearing off strips of Jeremiah's scroll to burn them in the fire.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;The God Delusion&lt;/em&gt; - Richard Dawkins&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything&lt;/em&gt; - Christopher Hitchens&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;Letter To a Christian Nation&lt;/em&gt; - Sam Harris&lt;br /&gt;You may recognize the names of the first two authors.  The titles tell you everything you need to know about the first two books.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Harris, the third author, argues that moderate Christianity provides a cover for fundamentalism.  The only solution is to rid society of religion altogether, without discriminating between moderate faith and fundamentalism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's the same paradox we saw with King Jehoiakim: these men are themselves unimpressed with the Bible, but they don't like the influence it has over ordinary people.  And it isn't an insignificant movement:&amp;nbsp; Dawkins and Hitchens in particular have a considerable following.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(d) &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;The West needs to heed God's word&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Fourth, like King Jehoiakim, the West needs to heed God's word more than it knows.  It is a mistake to suppose that no catastrophe could ever happen to us because our institutions will keep us secure.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Allow me to get political for a moment.  Dawkins, Hitchens, et al are reacting, in part, to Islamic fundamentalism.  But they are also reacting to the cozy relationship that the Bush Administration has with fundamentalist Christianity.  They would tell me that my analysis is exactly backwards:&amp;nbsp; the US government is already paying entirely too much attention to God's word.  The Bush Administration is doing exactly what I recommend, and that's the problem.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I take exactly the opposite position.  I know that George Bush claims to trust in God as his security.  But in fact I think he trusts in Western institutions.  Consider his policy in Iraq:  &lt;em&gt;We'll depose Saddam, establish a democracy, write a constitution, and the Iraqis will love it!  Democracy will spread to Iran and elsewhere in the Middle East!&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In other words, George Bush trusts &lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;in the very same things as Dawkins and Hitchens&lt;/span&gt;:&amp;nbsp; e.g., democracy, capitalism, military technology (i.e., science).  These great Western institutions will enable us to triumph over the enemy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Bush Administration isn't aligned with my side, but theirs.  It is a mistake to place your security in any earthly institution.  "The temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The West needs to heed this book.  For example, the potential environmental catastrophe mentioned.  The Old Testament directs people to let the land lie fallow every seventh year.  The capitalist model, on the other hand, is one of constant productivity and constant (over)consumption.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What would the principle of a sabbath year mean if we applied it to capitalism?  Perhaps it could help us to avert a looming crisis.  It's an ancient book, but nonetheless it contains wisdom that is relevant today.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Conclusion:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But I’m preaching to the choir here.  I don’t need to tell you to heed God’s word, or to put your trust in God instead of some earthly institution.  Instead, let me tell you, in the words of Jesus, "Well done thou good and faithful servant."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;God has given you a commission, and you have faithfully discharged it:&lt;br /&gt;Preserve the word;&lt;br /&gt;Live in accordance with it in your own life;&lt;br /&gt;Pass it on to the next generation.&lt;br /&gt;Decade after decade, for over a century, the people of St. Andrews have been faithful to that commission.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is the Holy Bible, a book unlike any other.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is a book replete with wisdom.  It is a book through which God speaks to us.  We moderns have not outgrown it.  We need to attend to it and learn from it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The West needs to heed God's word.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img alt="Creative Commons License" style="border-width:0" src="http://i.creativecommons.org/l/by-nc-nd/3.0/80x15.png" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font size="1"&gt;This work is licensed under a &lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;Creative Commons Licence&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;~~~~~~~~~~~~~&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt;Scripture is quoted from &lt;strong&gt;The Holy Bible&lt;/strong&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/preface/"&gt;English Standard Version&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-3742798759413865108?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/3742798759413865108/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=3742798759413865108' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/3742798759413865108'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/3742798759413865108'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/07/our-need-to-heed-gods-word-jeremiah-36.html' title='Our Need to Heed God&apos;s Word&lt;br&gt;(Jeremiah 36)'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4726364731790997789.post-8555335978496559329</id><published>2007-07-05T11:57:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-08-16T16:11:20.137-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='postmodernism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='method'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='historical criticism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='narrative criticism'/><title type='text'>To Babel and back, part 1</title><content type='html'>&lt;em&gt;This series of posts will introduce the concept of the blog.  Part one surveys the history of biblical interpretation in the modern West.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;1. The Normative Era:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;People used to &lt;strong&gt;know&lt;/strong&gt; things by consulting the Holy Bible.  For example, if some scientist told you that the earth was millions of years old, you could whip out your Bible and prove him wrong.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Bible was normative.  Everyone agreed that the Bible was true; and truth can't contradict truth, right?  So science had to agree with the Bible.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;2. The Critical Era:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Eventually sceptics began to subject the Bible to critical scrutiny.  For example, that question about the age of the earth wouldn't go away.  New evidence was adduced to show that the earth is older than anyone would deduce from Genesis.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Theologians adapted.  &lt;em&gt;Maybe there are gaps in the Genesis genealogies&lt;/em&gt;, they reasoned.  &lt;em&gt;Maybe one "day" of creation &lt;a href="http://itsmypulp.wordpress.com/2007/06/13/origen-augustine-and-the-creation-museum/"&gt;actually refers&lt;/a&gt; to an "epoch"&lt;/em&gt;.  But the questions only multiplied:&amp;nbsp; evidence began to mount that the Bible wasn't absolutely trustworthy after all.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The assault from science was formidable enough, but then came historical criticism.  It began to undermine confidence in texts that were critical to theology.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the Hebrew scriptures, salvation is grounded in the Israelites' Exodus from Egypt.  But did the Exodus really happen?  All those plagues?  The death of every first-born son in Egypt, and no trace of it in secular histories?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(In my view, the Exodus is simply too ancient an event to withstand critical scrutiny.  Faith may say that it happened, but there is no independent evidence to corroborate the biblical account.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For a while, Jesus was sacrosanct.  Everyone shrank from criticizing the Gospels.  But in 1778, &lt;a href="http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=539"&gt;Reimarus&lt;/a&gt; opened the floodgates.  Critical scholars began to ask, for example, whether Jesus really walked on water.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And did he really claim to be God, or was that merely a myth, introduced later by Jesus' followers?  The importance of historical criticism can scarcely be overstated:&amp;nbsp; it struck a savage blow at the very roots of Christian faith.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;3. The Relativizing Era:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First, the assault from science; then, historical criticism; now, globalization.  Globalization matters for religion because it exposes us to all the other traditions out there.  Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, native religions:&amp;nbsp; a veritable smorgasbord of religious traditions, most of them with a venerable history.  And all of it is now available at your local Chapters!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The result:&amp;nbsp; a descent into Babel.  A cacophony of voices, all talking at once, each trying to make itself heard over the others.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Exposure to many traditions has called all of them into question.  Christians offer a narrative account of how the cosmos came into being, what went wrong with it, and how God will rescue us in the end.  But what's so special about that?  The Dalai Lama has a competing narrative; American Indians have one of their own; Mormons have still another; and so on and so forth.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Every religion is equally convinced that its narrative is true.  The effect is to relativize all of them:&amp;nbsp; my narrative doesn't look so special anymore.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Science weighs in with its authoritative opinion, claiming that all of the sacred texts are equally bogus.  Science profers a narrative of its own.  There is no god; the cosmos is billions of years old; all living creatures evolved from the humblest, single-celled organisms; evolution has no end goal (it is not purposive); human beings are an accident of nature; inevitably, the cosmos will collapse back onto itself, and that will be that!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Science has its own epistemology, too:&amp;nbsp; reason and the scientific method are the only sure guides to knowledge.  But here's where the story takes an unexpected twist:&amp;nbsp; from a post-modern perspective, the scientific narrative is &lt;a href="http://www.thewychefamily.com/beliefs/postmodern-science.html"&gt;as suspect as any other&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Science has been under unprecedented attack with the rise of postmodernism. Both in academic circles and in popular culture, we see today a contempt for the sciences that many find hard to understand. Science is viewed as the vanguard of European exploitation, a discipline run amok, the instigators of nuclear and other weapons systems, the handmaiden of big business, and as the defilers of nature.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Postmodernists argue that the ideal of the scientist as a neutral, objective observer is pretentious.  There is no such thing as an uninterpreted "fact"; and the interpreter of that "fact" is always &lt;a href="http://www.xenos.org/CLASSES/papers/pomosci.htm"&gt;biased&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Hypotheses do not simply rise up from raw data. Instead, they originate in the mind of the observer, who then imposes the hypothesis upon the data as a way of organizing it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;In sum, we have all arrived in Babel together:&amp;nbsp; Christians and Muslims; Mormons and Buddhists; mystics and scientists; theists and atheists.  No one's opinion is normative anymore.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;4. Triangulating a way out of Babel:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I do not believe Christianity has cornered the market on truth.  Nonetheless, I am a Christian:&amp;nbsp; which is to say, that is the tradition that I operate out of.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My method (which I will explore in subsequent posts in this series) is to rely on three approaches to knowledge.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Theological first principles.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;Careful exegesis rooted in historical criticism.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;Ultimately, I employ the texts as narratives which provide a necessary counterbalance to the presumptions of the modern, secular West.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;Thus there are three elements to my method.  We might describe the process as &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangulation_(social_science)"&gt;triangulating&lt;/a&gt; our way out of Babel, since there are three points at which we will seek to establish our bearings.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img alt="Creative Commons License" style="border-width:0" src="http://i.creativecommons.org/l/by-nc-nd/3.0/80x15.png" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;font size="1"&gt;This work is licensed under a &lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/"&gt;Creative Commons Licence&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4726364731790997789-8555335978496559329?l=emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/feeds/8555335978496559329/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4726364731790997789&amp;postID=8555335978496559329' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/8555335978496559329'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4726364731790997789/posts/default/8555335978496559329'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://emergingfrombabel.blogspot.com/2007/07/to-babel-and-back-part-1.html' title='To Babel and back, part 1'/><author><name>ntWrong</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='31' height='22' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_liA04g1j7Pg/S0wZoohFdDI/AAAAAAAAANw/8yxJ7v_z8cs/S220/listen.jpg'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry></feed>
